1 00:00:34,118 --> 00:00:36,279 Andy: This is Echo Zoe Radio Episode podcast 2 00:00:36,379 --> 00:00:38,681 Andy: outreach of Echo Zoe Ministries, where 3 00:00:38,722 --> 00:00:40,667 Andy: you'll hear about important topics 4 00:00:40,728 --> 00:00:41,911 Andy: affecting the church today. 5 00:00:42,460 --> 00:00:44,835 Andy: Our primary goal is to explore a variety of 6 00:00:44,895 --> 00:00:47,564 Andy: issues while remaining faithful to God and 7 00:00:47,624 --> 00:00:48,125 Andy: his word. 8 00:00:48,667 --> 00:00:50,831 Andy: Stay with us for the next hour as your host, 9 00:00:50,992 --> 00:00:53,804 Andy: andy Olson, shares his conversation with 10 00:00:53,844 --> 00:00:54,686 Andy: this month's guests. 11 00:00:55,168 --> 00:00:57,072 Andy: Here's your host, andy Olson. 12 00:00:58,161 --> 00:00:58,802 Andy: I'm Andy Olson. 13 00:00:58,903 --> 00:01:00,386 Andy: Thanks for listening to Echo Zoe Radio. 14 00:01:01,087 --> 00:01:04,234 Andy: This is episode 192 for August 2024. 15 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:07,620 Andy: Radio. 16 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:09,365 Andy: This is episode 192 for August 2024. 17 00:01:09,385 --> 00:01:10,168 Andy: After a three-month hiatus, I'm back with 18 00:01:10,188 --> 00:01:10,509 Andy: another episode. 19 00:01:10,529 --> 00:01:11,351 Andy: Ryan Habana is also back as this month's 20 00:01:11,371 --> 00:01:13,176 Andy: guest, bringing with him the topic which is 21 00:01:13,377 --> 00:01:14,162 Andy: the seed promise. 22 00:01:15,707 --> 00:01:17,433 Andy: In an attempt to get this episode posted at 23 00:01:17,453 --> 00:01:19,560 Andy: the beginning of August, show notes are 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,985 Andy: minimal and this episode is audio only. 25 00:01:22,446 --> 00:01:24,370 Andy: You'll find the episode page at echozoecom, 26 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:26,194 Andy: slash 192. 27 00:01:27,761 --> 00:01:29,266 Andy: Finally, I want to remind everyone about 28 00:01:29,286 --> 00:01:30,811 Andy: the Christian Podcast 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here's my discussion with 43 00:01:57,808 --> 00:01:58,069 Andy: Ryan. 44 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:03,042 Andy: Ryan, you're back. 45 00:02:03,623 --> 00:02:06,445 Ryan: I'm back, yep, but you've been gone for a 46 00:02:06,485 --> 00:02:07,166 Ryan: couple months, right? 47 00:02:07,827 --> 00:02:10,029 Andy: The last episode I did was April, which I 48 00:02:10,089 --> 00:02:11,090 Andy: posted at the end of April. 49 00:02:11,190 --> 00:02:12,831 Andy: Yeah, so I'll say welcome back. 50 00:02:13,172 --> 00:02:13,692 Andy: Well, thank you. 51 00:02:14,333 --> 00:02:16,415 Andy: Yeah, so no May episode. 52 00:02:16,475 --> 00:02:17,316 Andy: No June episode. 53 00:02:17,336 --> 00:02:18,337 Andy: No July episode. 54 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,022 Andy: We're recording July 28th, but we'll post 55 00:02:24,042 --> 00:02:24,342 Andy: this in August. 56 00:02:24,482 --> 00:02:28,025 Andy: Yeah, it's good to have the yearly episode 57 00:02:28,125 --> 00:02:29,766 Andy: on the calendar here. 58 00:02:30,126 --> 00:02:33,589 Andy: Yeah, so, and I've actually already 59 00:02:33,969 --> 00:02:36,111 Andy: recorded our introduction, conclusion and 60 00:02:36,131 --> 00:02:38,713 Andy: stuff, so stick around if you're interested 61 00:02:38,833 --> 00:02:39,493 Andy: on some of that. 62 00:02:40,174 --> 00:02:42,596 Andy: The last two minutes of audio for this file. 63 00:02:42,856 --> 00:02:45,197 Andy: I'll talk a little bit about the absence of 64 00:02:45,217 --> 00:02:47,364 Andy: uh and not having episodes for three months 65 00:02:47,444 --> 00:02:49,590 Andy: and kind of where that is and what's, 66 00:02:49,971 --> 00:02:51,987 Andy: what's, what's been and what's coming stuff. 67 00:02:52,107 --> 00:02:52,529 Andy: A little bit. 68 00:02:53,382 --> 00:02:55,665 Andy: Not much to say, but if you're curious, the 69 00:02:55,706 --> 00:02:56,268 Andy: last two minutes 70 00:02:56,709 --> 00:02:56,850 Ryan: Cool. 71 00:02:57,301 --> 00:03:01,206 Andy: So the uh topic you brought with us is the 72 00:03:01,286 --> 00:03:01,887 Andy: seed promise. 73 00:03:03,131 --> 00:03:07,821 Andy: Yeah, there, uh, with us is the seed 74 00:03:07,841 --> 00:03:08,664 Andy: promise, yeah they're uh, you know, you 75 00:03:08,684 --> 00:03:09,687 Andy: usually leave it in my lap to come up with. 76 00:03:09,727 --> 00:03:10,570 Andy: You always come up with something better 77 00:03:10,630 --> 00:03:11,272 Andy: than I could give you. 78 00:03:11,292 --> 00:03:12,877 Ryan: Well, I don't know about that, but 79 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:15,249 Ryan: sometimes we, you know, when we've talked, 80 00:03:15,269 --> 00:03:16,995 Ryan: we've talked about some, some things that 81 00:03:17,075 --> 00:03:19,401 Ryan: are a little more laser focused. 82 00:03:19,441 --> 00:03:22,145 Ryan: This is something that is is very broad in 83 00:03:22,205 --> 00:03:24,388 Ryan: scope that we're going to talk about, but 84 00:03:24,728 --> 00:03:27,072 Ryan: it's something that even within the next 85 00:03:27,973 --> 00:03:30,016 Ryan: hour or so, however long we want to talk 86 00:03:30,056 --> 00:03:33,910 Ryan: about this, we really can get into some 87 00:03:35,314 --> 00:03:37,159 Ryan: elements of the scriptures that, if you're 88 00:03:37,179 --> 00:03:39,101 Ryan: not aware of them, they really do help you 89 00:03:39,382 --> 00:03:42,625 Ryan: advance in your knowledge of the whole 90 00:03:42,645 --> 00:03:45,107 Ryan: counsel of God, in your knowledge of the 91 00:03:45,167 --> 00:03:45,908 Ryan: whole counsel of God. 92 00:03:45,928 --> 00:03:48,410 Ryan: And this seed promise, if you're unfamiliar 93 00:03:48,450 --> 00:03:52,154 Ryan: with it, you might be unfamiliar with it in 94 00:03:52,314 --> 00:03:59,623 Ryan: its explicit declaration, but the essence 95 00:03:59,643 --> 00:04:00,450 Ryan: of the seed promise, if you're a believer 96 00:04:00,470 --> 00:04:01,297 Ryan: in the Bible, if you're a believer in the 97 00:04:01,337 --> 00:04:04,589 Ryan: gospel, in some way you know it already. 98 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,242 Ryan: You just maybe aren't categorizing it 99 00:04:07,463 --> 00:04:13,072 Ryan: correctly or are just I say this in a nice 100 00:04:13,092 --> 00:04:18,486 Ryan: way are just ignorant of the expansive 101 00:04:18,566 --> 00:04:21,571 Ryan: nature of this theology that we find that 102 00:04:21,611 --> 00:04:26,218 Ryan: begins in Genesis and goes all the way 103 00:04:26,259 --> 00:04:30,565 Ryan: through the book of Revelation, and we'll 104 00:04:30,725 --> 00:04:33,630 Ryan: probably get into how that specifically 105 00:04:33,930 --> 00:04:37,235 Ryan: comes about, where we see that, in both the 106 00:04:37,275 --> 00:04:39,685 Ryan: early chapters of Genesis as well as the 107 00:04:39,705 --> 00:04:43,152 Ryan: book of Revelation, the word seed, the seed 108 00:04:43,233 --> 00:04:47,346 Ryan: promise, revelation. 109 00:04:47,547 --> 00:04:49,155 Ryan: The word seed, the seed promise is there. 110 00:04:50,280 --> 00:04:51,923 Ryan: We'll talk about the essence of the word 111 00:04:51,943 --> 00:04:52,204 Ryan: itself. 112 00:04:52,224 --> 00:04:54,548 Ryan: But the other thing is, not only is there a 113 00:04:54,608 --> 00:04:56,992 Ryan: promise with the seed, it's actually a war, 114 00:05:02,241 --> 00:05:04,946 Ryan: and this war is the war of all human 115 00:05:05,006 --> 00:05:05,407 Ryan: history. 116 00:05:05,467 --> 00:05:07,952 Ryan: And we'll find that in the origin of this 117 00:05:08,413 --> 00:05:10,504 Ryan: seed promise, seed war, this seed 118 00:05:10,585 --> 00:05:12,290 Ryan: declaration in Genesis 3.15. 119 00:05:13,241 --> 00:05:15,345 Andy: Now, when you bring topics, a lot of times 120 00:05:16,849 --> 00:05:19,921 Andy: it seems to come out of your you know you 121 00:05:19,941 --> 00:05:22,201 Andy: teach this through the Bible class and a 122 00:05:22,241 --> 00:05:23,789 Andy: lot of times it seems to come out of that 123 00:05:23,809 --> 00:05:26,203 Andy: because you'll bring in these topics that 124 00:05:26,223 --> 00:05:28,824 Andy: relate to themes that are woven throughout 125 00:05:28,864 --> 00:05:30,449 Andy: the scripture, beginning to end. 126 00:05:31,482 --> 00:05:32,698 Andy: Is that really where this comes from? 127 00:05:32,900 --> 00:05:35,347 Ryan: Yeah, it really is something that I do 128 00:05:36,170 --> 00:05:36,611 Ryan: quite a bit. 129 00:05:37,622 --> 00:05:39,981 Ryan: I teach cover to cover each year and 130 00:05:40,163 --> 00:05:42,322 Ryan: oftentimes I have several classes where I'm 131 00:05:42,362 --> 00:05:44,802 Ryan: doing that each year Genesis to Revelation, 132 00:05:44,822 --> 00:05:45,763 Ryan: cover to cover in the Bible. 133 00:05:46,425 --> 00:05:50,852 Ryan: And in order to do that in a way that 134 00:05:51,053 --> 00:05:53,602 Ryan: people are going to grasp, you really do 135 00:05:53,702 --> 00:05:55,808 Ryan: need to have these thematic things that 136 00:05:55,828 --> 00:05:58,421 Ryan: people are looking for and looking at, and 137 00:05:59,242 --> 00:06:01,225 Ryan: the seed promise is one of those pillars 138 00:06:02,608 --> 00:06:05,453 Ryan: that, as we go from Genesis through 139 00:06:05,473 --> 00:06:10,942 Ryan: Revelation, we'll constantly be noting that 140 00:06:11,202 --> 00:06:12,244 Ryan: this is a seed promise. 141 00:06:12,284 --> 00:06:15,730 Ryan: Here We'll be looking in Genesis or Exodus 142 00:06:16,030 --> 00:06:20,382 Ryan: or Ruth, for instance, or the beginning of 143 00:06:20,422 --> 00:06:20,883 Ryan: Matthew. 144 00:06:21,163 --> 00:06:22,766 Ryan: You know this is the seed promise. 145 00:06:23,868 --> 00:06:25,471 Ryan: And then conflicts. 146 00:06:25,952 --> 00:06:28,562 Ryan: You know this is the seed war, the war 147 00:06:28,622 --> 00:06:30,088 Ryan: between the seed of the woman and the seed 148 00:06:30,108 --> 00:06:30,630 Ryan: of the serpent. 149 00:06:31,420 --> 00:06:34,147 Ryan: And although it might not be explicitly 150 00:06:34,348 --> 00:06:37,201 Ryan: declared as that in certain texts, the 151 00:06:37,261 --> 00:06:38,386 Ryan: concept is there. 152 00:06:39,983 --> 00:06:43,228 Ryan: So, yeah, you're right that you know. 153 00:06:43,468 --> 00:06:46,273 Ryan: I think it was either last time or a couple 154 00:06:46,293 --> 00:06:46,513 Ryan: years ago. 155 00:06:46,553 --> 00:06:48,842 Ryan: We talked about the transfiguration, so 156 00:06:48,962 --> 00:06:53,911 Ryan: even that, we have a singular episode that 157 00:06:53,991 --> 00:06:57,201 Ryan: is chronicled in the Synoptic Gospels but 158 00:06:57,241 --> 00:07:00,185 Ryan: that has big ramifications for the whole 159 00:07:00,205 --> 00:07:02,188 Ryan: counsel of God, with the law and the 160 00:07:02,268 --> 00:07:05,032 Ryan: prophets and the Messiah, the old covenant, 161 00:07:05,052 --> 00:07:08,036 Ryan: the new covenant, elements that are therein. 162 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,637 Ryan: So it is kind of a hallmark of number one. 163 00:07:12,677 --> 00:07:14,043 Ryan: I think it's good because I know we're 164 00:07:14,063 --> 00:07:15,087 Ryan: going to have enough to talk about. 165 00:07:18,306 --> 00:07:22,377 Ryan: So this will be a truncated version of 166 00:07:22,717 --> 00:07:23,660 Ryan: looking at the seed promise. 167 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,089 Ryan: We'll see where, like I told you pre-show, 168 00:07:26,521 --> 00:07:28,067 Ryan: we'll see where the conversation takes us, 169 00:07:29,183 --> 00:07:30,968 Ryan: because there's so many different places we 170 00:07:31,008 --> 00:07:31,349 Ryan: can go. 171 00:07:31,590 --> 00:07:33,685 Andy: Yeah, well, that's like I said. 172 00:07:33,725 --> 00:07:35,829 Andy: That's why I generally, when I ask you to 173 00:07:35,870 --> 00:07:37,401 Andy: come on, I don't have a topic, because you 174 00:07:37,421 --> 00:07:38,184 Andy: always have something. 175 00:07:38,225 --> 00:07:39,248 Andy: That's like I said. 176 00:07:39,300 --> 00:07:42,085 Andy: It's more interesting than I can bring and 177 00:07:42,186 --> 00:07:43,107 Andy: ask you to talk about. 178 00:07:43,127 --> 00:07:44,731 Ryan: Well, and again. 179 00:07:44,871 --> 00:07:48,181 Ryan: If next year we're still doing this, you 180 00:07:48,201 --> 00:07:49,331 Ryan: can always, if the Lord so wills, you can 181 00:07:49,351 --> 00:07:50,159 Ryan: always throw a top in my way. 182 00:07:50,179 --> 00:07:53,729 Andy: Yeah Well, and I still haven't had a chance 183 00:07:53,769 --> 00:07:56,328 Andy: to do your Through the Bible course that 184 00:07:56,348 --> 00:07:59,035 Andy: you do, but everybody I've ever talked to 185 00:07:59,096 --> 00:08:00,825 Andy: who's done it just raves about it how 186 00:08:00,925 --> 00:08:01,407 Andy: awesome it is. 187 00:08:02,621 --> 00:08:05,188 Ryan: I think the reason people really are 188 00:08:05,328 --> 00:08:09,004 Ryan: impacted by it is seeing the cohesive 189 00:08:09,084 --> 00:08:09,985 Ryan: nature of the bible. 190 00:08:11,087 --> 00:08:11,788 Ryan: Uh, it isn't. 191 00:08:12,109 --> 00:08:15,895 Ryan: These aren't 66 loose books that are just 192 00:08:16,701 --> 00:08:17,983 Ryan: disconnected to one another. 193 00:08:18,063 --> 00:08:22,709 Ryan: This, these are 66 books that are united by 194 00:08:22,729 --> 00:08:24,431 Ryan: the inspiration of Holy Spirit and there 195 00:08:24,511 --> 00:08:30,105 Ryan: are particular themes that are flowing 196 00:08:30,185 --> 00:08:31,348 Ryan: through each of the books. 197 00:08:32,191 --> 00:08:34,657 Ryan: And, like I said, the seed promise, or the 198 00:08:34,717 --> 00:08:39,807 Ryan: seed concept, is one that not only starts 199 00:08:39,867 --> 00:08:43,073 Ryan: in Genesis 3.15, but it advances in 200 00:08:43,113 --> 00:08:49,081 Ryan: different ways Genesis 3.15, but it 201 00:08:49,101 --> 00:08:49,783 Ryan: advances in different ways. 202 00:08:49,803 --> 00:08:50,845 Ryan: We'll talk a little bit about Abraham, this 203 00:08:50,865 --> 00:08:52,508 Ryan: episode, and how important it is to 204 00:08:52,668 --> 00:08:54,652 Ryan: understand the promise that God gives to 205 00:08:54,732 --> 00:08:57,523 Ryan: Abraham regarding his seed, his offspring. 206 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:02,631 Ryan: And the scriptures tell us that if we're 207 00:09:02,651 --> 00:09:04,955 Ryan: going to be saved, we have to be Abraham's 208 00:09:04,995 --> 00:09:05,355 Ryan: offspring. 209 00:09:06,501 --> 00:09:09,810 Ryan: And in what sense are we Abraham's 210 00:09:09,870 --> 00:09:10,272 Ryan: offspring? 211 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,488 Ryan: And Paul answers that in Galatians, chapter 212 00:09:12,548 --> 00:09:12,789 Ryan: 3. 213 00:09:13,621 --> 00:09:14,827 Ryan: But that's the seed promise. 214 00:09:16,301 --> 00:09:21,964 Ryan: It's a concept that is found early and 215 00:09:22,004 --> 00:09:23,300 Ryan: again, this isn't anything novel. 216 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:27,631 Ryan: This isn't anything that I've in any way 217 00:09:27,691 --> 00:09:28,293 Ryan: originated. 218 00:09:28,700 --> 00:09:32,030 Ryan: This is something that is found in modern 219 00:09:32,050 --> 00:09:32,431 Ryan: theology. 220 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:33,645 Ryan: It's found in ancient theology. 221 00:09:39,950 --> 00:09:42,394 Ryan: It's found in even rabbinical, 222 00:09:44,542 --> 00:09:47,090 Ryan: intertestamental works. 223 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:53,272 Ryan: So it is something that is ancient in not 224 00:09:53,352 --> 00:09:54,883 Ryan: only its origins but ancient in its 225 00:09:54,923 --> 00:09:58,867 Ryan: commentaries and, as far as our 226 00:09:58,947 --> 00:10:01,043 Ryan: understanding of the seed promise, the New 227 00:10:01,084 --> 00:10:02,922 Ryan: Covenant writings are primary because that 228 00:10:03,023 --> 00:10:05,070 Ryan: helps us understand the fulfillment. 229 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:07,544 Ryan: What we find in the Old Testament for the 230 00:10:07,604 --> 00:10:10,951 Ryan: most part is the promise and the 231 00:10:11,031 --> 00:10:14,785 Ryan: advancement of the promise of the seed. 232 00:10:16,028 --> 00:10:17,552 Ryan: It's ultimately with the coming of Christ 233 00:10:17,993 --> 00:10:21,882 Ryan: that the seed promise finds its fulfillment. 234 00:10:21,942 --> 00:10:24,228 Ryan: And then there is a one a one in many 235 00:10:24,268 --> 00:10:26,782 Ryan: dynamic that we'll talk about, that uh, 236 00:10:26,862 --> 00:10:29,287 Ryan: there is one seed, that's what paul says, 237 00:10:29,788 --> 00:10:32,934 Ryan: but there's also many uh within this seed 238 00:10:32,994 --> 00:10:37,328 Ryan: promise that are going to experience the 239 00:10:37,389 --> 00:10:38,691 Ryan: crushing of the serpent's head or 240 00:10:38,731 --> 00:10:41,383 Ryan: inheriting the uh, the promises given to 241 00:10:41,483 --> 00:10:44,770 Ryan: abraham and their, their fourth and one of 242 00:10:44,790 --> 00:10:46,593 Ryan: the other things we'll talk about a bit 243 00:10:47,661 --> 00:10:50,069 Ryan: found in Genesis 3.15, is the seed war. 244 00:10:52,022 --> 00:10:56,957 Ryan: There is a conflict that is announced in 245 00:10:56,997 --> 00:10:59,934 Ryan: Genesis 3.15 between the seed of the woman 246 00:10:59,974 --> 00:11:03,066 Ryan: and the seed of the serpent, and I think 247 00:11:03,106 --> 00:11:07,000 Ryan: that's the conflict that is at the backdrop 248 00:11:07,823 --> 00:11:09,762 Ryan: of kind of all human history, something 249 00:11:09,782 --> 00:11:11,569 Ryan: that we can see throughout history. 250 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,106 Ryan: The seed of the serpent is against the seed 251 00:11:15,146 --> 00:11:17,401 Ryan: of the woman, god's chosen line, god's 252 00:11:17,501 --> 00:11:21,265 Ryan: chosen people and person, and that's 253 00:11:21,305 --> 00:11:22,368 Ryan: something that we see throughout history 254 00:11:22,388 --> 00:11:22,910 Ryan: and we see today. 255 00:11:23,380 --> 00:11:25,689 Ryan: We see it rearing its head today as well. 256 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:26,943 Andy: Yeah, I was just going to ask you. 257 00:11:27,084 --> 00:11:29,030 Andy: I assume you're starting in Genesis 3. 258 00:11:29,701 --> 00:11:31,207 Andy: You've already said 3.15. 259 00:11:32,783 --> 00:11:35,110 Ryan: Yeah, so why don't we just start there 260 00:11:36,261 --> 00:11:38,066 Ryan: Again to contextualize this? 261 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:40,091 Andy: You want me to read it? 262 00:11:40,580 --> 00:11:41,585 Andy: Sure, go for it. 263 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:43,405 Andy: So Genesis 3.15,. 264 00:11:43,465 --> 00:11:45,350 Andy: I will put enmity between you and the woman, 265 00:11:45,590 --> 00:11:46,862 Andy: and between your offspring and her 266 00:11:46,962 --> 00:11:47,343 Andy: offspring. 267 00:11:47,924 --> 00:11:49,668 Andy: He shall bruise your head and you shall 268 00:11:49,708 --> 00:11:51,272 Andy: bruise his head - his heel. 269 00:11:51,312 --> 00:11:52,883 Ryan: his heel yeah. 270 00:11:52,963 --> 00:11:56,049 Ryan: So the context here is, of course, the, the 271 00:11:56,109 --> 00:11:56,950 Ryan: fall of humanity. 272 00:11:57,712 --> 00:11:59,943 Ryan: So the serpent has come and we know the 273 00:12:00,003 --> 00:12:00,324 Ryan: serpent. 274 00:12:00,344 --> 00:12:01,528 Ryan: Whatever else we want to say about the 275 00:12:01,568 --> 00:12:02,961 Ryan: serpent, there's all sorts of interesting 276 00:12:02,981 --> 00:12:05,931 Ryan: things we can consider, but the serpent is 277 00:12:06,031 --> 00:12:06,372 Ryan: satan. 278 00:12:06,653 --> 00:12:08,037 Ryan: That's something that we find in the 279 00:12:08,077 --> 00:12:11,726 Ryan: commentary of the new testament, and not 280 00:12:11,766 --> 00:12:13,189 Ryan: only history, but new testament 281 00:12:13,229 --> 00:12:16,060 Ryan: specifically says the serpent of old is 282 00:12:16,301 --> 00:12:19,264 Ryan: satan, and so this is the enemy, the great 283 00:12:19,324 --> 00:12:22,348 Ryan: enemy of the people of god, the great enemy 284 00:12:22,748 --> 00:12:23,329 Ryan: of humanity. 285 00:12:24,070 --> 00:12:28,515 Ryan: And so he tempts Adam and Eve and they fall. 286 00:12:28,716 --> 00:12:32,305 Ryan: And here, what we are finding here is the 287 00:12:32,385 --> 00:12:36,272 Ryan: Lord giving announcements to the serpent, 288 00:12:36,352 --> 00:12:39,221 Ryan: to the woman and to the man, to Adam. 289 00:12:40,102 --> 00:12:44,230 Ryan: And so this what we find here in chapter 3, 290 00:12:45,071 --> 00:12:47,240 Ryan: is directed to the serpent when he says I 291 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:49,509 Ryan: will put enmity between you and the woman. 292 00:12:50,380 --> 00:12:52,388 Ryan: So there is conflict. 293 00:12:52,500 --> 00:12:55,009 Ryan: The Lord is establishing enmity as conflict. 294 00:12:55,140 --> 00:12:57,598 Ryan: So you have conflict between you and the 295 00:12:57,658 --> 00:12:57,880 Ryan: woman. 296 00:12:58,100 --> 00:13:05,334 Ryan: So Eve is the originator here. 297 00:13:05,621 --> 00:13:07,702 Ryan: The one that is going to produce or is 298 00:13:07,722 --> 00:13:10,984 Ryan: going to come forth from Eve is the 299 00:13:11,044 --> 00:13:12,149 Ryan: fulfillment of the promise. 300 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,540 Ryan: Now we see the conflict then extends 301 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,270 Ryan: between your offspring and her offspring. 302 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:22,082 Ryan: So Eve is going to have offspring that 303 00:13:22,142 --> 00:13:25,768 Ryan: comes forth from her, and the serpent also 304 00:13:25,808 --> 00:13:26,350 Ryan: has offspring. 305 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:30,532 Ryan: Now this is a little bit of a tricky 306 00:13:30,652 --> 00:13:33,160 Ryan: question is who is the serpent's offspring? 307 00:13:35,362 --> 00:13:37,884 Ryan: And there are a few different ways we could 308 00:13:37,924 --> 00:13:38,545 Ryan: go with that. 309 00:13:39,726 --> 00:13:43,609 Ryan: Uh, there are um people that look at some 310 00:13:43,649 --> 00:13:45,110 Ryan: of the early things that happened in 311 00:13:45,150 --> 00:13:45,611 Ryan: Genesis. 312 00:13:45,671 --> 00:13:51,396 Ryan: In regards to Genesis, chapter 6 and the 313 00:13:51,456 --> 00:13:53,437 Ryan: sons of God going into the daughters of men, 314 00:13:54,681 --> 00:13:57,970 Ryan: some people really look at that as perhaps 315 00:13:58,010 --> 00:13:58,412 Ryan: the primary. 316 00:13:58,822 --> 00:14:00,471 Ryan: I don't think that's the primary 317 00:14:01,657 --> 00:14:02,320 Ryan: application here. 318 00:14:02,380 --> 00:14:04,366 Ryan: I think, if we were to understand, what the 319 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:08,543 Ryan: primary application here is is found in 320 00:14:08,583 --> 00:14:09,424 Ryan: John chapter 8. 321 00:14:10,927 --> 00:14:14,733 Ryan: In John chapter 8, jesus is in a debate. 322 00:14:14,773 --> 00:14:15,775 Ryan: We'll just summarize this. 323 00:14:16,060 --> 00:14:16,801 Ryan: We're going to have to do a lot of 324 00:14:16,821 --> 00:14:18,503 Ryan: summarizing today because there's a lot of 325 00:14:21,386 --> 00:14:22,167 Ryan: places to cover. 326 00:14:22,668 --> 00:14:25,751 Ryan: But in John chapter 8, there is a debate 327 00:14:25,791 --> 00:14:34,866 Ryan: about who's Abraham's seed and the people 328 00:14:34,926 --> 00:14:38,992 Ryan: of Jesus' day, and these were Jews that 329 00:14:39,092 --> 00:14:41,195 Ryan: were initially following Jesus, and Jesus 330 00:14:41,275 --> 00:14:45,167 Ryan: then challenges them in a way saying you 331 00:14:45,207 --> 00:14:48,221 Ryan: know, if the Son makes you free, you will 332 00:14:48,241 --> 00:14:48,481 Ryan: be free. 333 00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:50,266 Ryan: Indeed, and this offended them because it 334 00:14:50,306 --> 00:14:51,951 Ryan: was a declaration that they were slaves, 335 00:14:52,260 --> 00:14:58,867 Ryan: slaves to sin, and this started off then a 336 00:14:58,967 --> 00:15:02,390 Ryan: big, heated debate between Jesus and some 337 00:15:02,431 --> 00:15:07,456 Ryan: of the Jews of the day, and Jesus really 338 00:15:07,496 --> 00:15:09,963 Ryan: turns the table on them when he says I know 339 00:15:09,983 --> 00:15:11,447 Ryan: you're Abraham's offspring, but you seek to 340 00:15:11,487 --> 00:15:11,808 Ryan: kill me. 341 00:15:12,529 --> 00:15:14,722 Ryan: And he says you are of your father, the 342 00:15:14,762 --> 00:15:20,390 Ryan: devil, who again is opposed to the seed 343 00:15:20,450 --> 00:15:20,871 Ryan: promise. 344 00:15:22,013 --> 00:15:24,336 Ryan: And ultimately, as we advance here, we'll 345 00:15:24,376 --> 00:15:26,880 Ryan: see that those that are opposed to God and 346 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:29,865 Ryan: his purposes, and God and his Messiah, 347 00:15:30,706 --> 00:15:35,814 Ryan: these are the sons of the devil or of the 348 00:15:35,954 --> 00:15:37,055 Ryan: seed of the serpent. 349 00:15:37,180 --> 00:15:39,165 Ryan: So I don't think this is necessarily 350 00:15:39,205 --> 00:15:41,350 Ryan: speaking of a natural progeny. 351 00:15:41,410 --> 00:15:49,581 Ryan: I think it's speaking of a natural progeny. 352 00:15:49,601 --> 00:15:50,583 Ryan: I think it's speaking of a uh, a figurative 353 00:15:50,603 --> 00:15:50,784 Ryan: offspring. 354 00:15:50,804 --> 00:15:51,886 Ryan: The son of satan isn't saying that they are 355 00:15:51,906 --> 00:15:54,212 Ryan: actually spawns of satan, but rather they 356 00:15:54,292 --> 00:15:57,379 Ryan: embody the opposition that satan has 357 00:15:57,419 --> 00:15:59,402 Ryan: against god and his, his promise and people. 358 00:16:00,544 --> 00:16:02,727 Ryan: So we have this enmity, we have this war 359 00:16:03,948 --> 00:16:06,572 Ryan: and the word between your offspring and her 360 00:16:06,672 --> 00:16:07,032 Ryan: offspring. 361 00:16:07,092 --> 00:16:11,041 Ryan: Now the word here is in Hebrew, zerah, and 362 00:16:11,141 --> 00:16:15,112 Ryan: Zerah is a term that means seed. 363 00:16:15,380 --> 00:16:19,208 Ryan: It does mean seed or offspring, and it's in 364 00:16:19,228 --> 00:16:20,776 Ryan: what's called the collective singular, and 365 00:16:20,796 --> 00:16:21,560 Ryan: this is important. 366 00:16:22,061 --> 00:16:27,417 Ryan: Paul actually speaks on the grammar of this 367 00:16:27,658 --> 00:16:32,567 Ryan: in Galatians, chapter 3, which is the 368 00:16:32,587 --> 00:16:37,015 Ryan: collective singular, is basically it's a 369 00:16:37,135 --> 00:16:41,221 Ryan: word that, depending on context, can either 370 00:16:41,322 --> 00:16:44,044 Ryan: be speaking of one or speaking of many. 371 00:16:45,786 --> 00:16:48,889 Ryan: The English equivalent, seed is actually an 372 00:16:48,929 --> 00:16:51,111 Ryan: English equivalent, but deer is another one. 373 00:16:52,132 --> 00:16:53,533 Ryan: We wouldn't say there's a bunch of deers. 374 00:16:53,994 --> 00:16:56,736 Ryan: We would say if there's one deer, there's a 375 00:16:56,796 --> 00:16:57,057 Ryan: deer. 376 00:17:03,327 --> 00:17:04,954 Ryan: Or if there's 20 deer we would say, oh, 377 00:17:05,035 --> 00:17:06,039 Ryan: there's a herd of deer. 378 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,003 Ryan: So, depending on context, the word Zerah 379 00:17:10,023 --> 00:17:12,167 Ryan: can mean one or many, and both, I think, 380 00:17:12,247 --> 00:17:13,169 Ryan: are embedded here. 381 00:17:13,791 --> 00:17:16,997 Ryan: So the serpent has offspring. 382 00:17:17,037 --> 00:17:19,281 Ryan: He has many offspring that are opposed to 383 00:17:19,341 --> 00:17:23,186 Ryan: God and his purposes, but there's also one 384 00:17:23,507 --> 00:17:29,394 Ryan: that ultimately is going to uh go forth in 385 00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:31,703 Ryan: ultimate opposition to god and his purposes 386 00:17:31,783 --> 00:17:33,829 Ryan: and and I do think the ultimate seed of the 387 00:17:33,889 --> 00:17:36,682 Ryan: serpent is going to be the antichrist uh, 388 00:17:36,922 --> 00:17:38,904 Ryan: in the same way, the woman's offspring. 389 00:17:39,325 --> 00:17:41,547 Ryan: And again, this is god's chosen lineage. 390 00:17:42,248 --> 00:17:47,834 Ryan: Now this launches a promise that when we 391 00:17:47,895 --> 00:17:50,642 Ryan: see here, we see he shall wound your head 392 00:17:50,682 --> 00:17:54,650 Ryan: and you shall wound his heel, and I think 393 00:17:54,871 --> 00:17:56,761 Ryan: wound is probably better rather than bruise. 394 00:17:56,881 --> 00:17:59,766 Ryan: Bruise we kind of think of just a flesh 395 00:17:59,786 --> 00:17:59,946 Ryan: wound. 396 00:17:59,966 --> 00:18:01,749 Ryan: A wound is likely better. 397 00:18:06,741 --> 00:18:15,135 Ryan: A heel wound is one that is brought about. 398 00:18:15,682 --> 00:18:19,727 Ryan: It's not fatal, at least it's not decisive. 399 00:18:19,888 --> 00:18:24,705 Ryan: I should say it's in the process of uh 400 00:18:24,805 --> 00:18:26,067 Ryan: crushing the serpent's head. 401 00:18:27,089 --> 00:18:31,541 Ryan: The uh, the he here, and the he here is in 402 00:18:31,561 --> 00:18:35,027 Ryan: the singular, so the he here there is a, 403 00:18:35,548 --> 00:18:39,174 Ryan: and it's a masculine singular, so there is 404 00:18:39,254 --> 00:18:40,721 Ryan: a male child. 405 00:18:40,801 --> 00:18:41,081 Ryan: That's what. 406 00:18:41,222 --> 00:18:42,764 Ryan: That's all the evidence we're given here. 407 00:18:42,804 --> 00:18:44,285 Ryan: That is going to crush the serpent's head. 408 00:18:45,627 --> 00:18:47,570 Ryan: Uh, destroy the works of the devil is how 409 00:18:47,610 --> 00:18:48,331 Ryan: john would put it. 410 00:18:49,452 --> 00:18:54,284 Ryan: So, um, this is called by many, um, going 411 00:18:54,785 --> 00:18:55,366 Ryan: again back. 412 00:18:55,767 --> 00:18:57,631 Ryan: Like I said this, the commentaries on this 413 00:18:57,671 --> 00:19:00,144 Ryan: go back a long ways this has been called by 414 00:19:00,184 --> 00:19:02,249 Ryan: many the proto evangelium, or the first 415 00:19:02,349 --> 00:19:04,602 Ryan: gospel, the first time the gospel. 416 00:19:04,683 --> 00:19:07,485 Ryan: It speaks of the wounding but also the 417 00:19:07,565 --> 00:19:09,723 Ryan: conquering of this he that is gonna come 418 00:19:09,884 --> 00:19:10,547 Ryan: from Eve. 419 00:19:11,660 --> 00:19:13,728 Ryan: So have you ever wondered why there is so 420 00:19:13,808 --> 00:19:16,369 Ryan: many genealogies in the Bible? 421 00:19:18,201 --> 00:19:20,440 Ryan: Let's be honest, most of the time we 422 00:19:20,460 --> 00:19:21,324 Ryan: probably skip over them. 423 00:19:21,404 --> 00:19:23,584 Ryan: If we're reading them, but especially the 424 00:19:23,605 --> 00:19:23,988 Ryan: book of Genesis. 425 00:19:24,008 --> 00:19:24,877 Ryan: But reading them, but especially the book 426 00:19:24,897 --> 00:19:25,180 Ryan: of genesis. 427 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:27,104 Ryan: But again, going beyond the book of genesis, 428 00:19:27,144 --> 00:19:27,926 Ryan: there are other ones. 429 00:19:28,447 --> 00:19:31,882 Ryan: We have genealogies and the genealogy 430 00:19:32,283 --> 00:19:34,268 Ryan: especially in the book of genesis, uh. 431 00:19:34,368 --> 00:19:36,212 Ryan: And then when we get in the new testament, 432 00:19:36,273 --> 00:19:37,161 Ryan: it's the same thing. 433 00:19:37,682 --> 00:19:39,705 Ryan: It's tracing the seed promise. 434 00:19:41,327 --> 00:19:44,291 Ryan: Uh, there's this war, remember, remember in 435 00:19:44,331 --> 00:19:47,015 Ryan: Genesis that I'll put enmity between you 436 00:19:47,155 --> 00:19:48,383 Ryan: and the woman, between her seat and your 437 00:19:48,403 --> 00:19:48,584 Ryan: seat. 438 00:19:50,864 --> 00:19:56,447 Ryan: I believe Cain and Abel are ultimately an 439 00:19:56,507 --> 00:19:58,292 Ryan: expression of this seed war. 440 00:20:00,362 --> 00:20:02,562 Ryan: The serpent counterattacks and he looks to 441 00:20:02,602 --> 00:20:03,727 Ryan: either corrupt or destroy. 442 00:20:04,401 --> 00:20:06,568 Ryan: So he corrupts Cain to murder righteous 443 00:20:06,669 --> 00:20:11,268 Ryan: Abel, and then what we find is, you know, a 444 00:20:11,328 --> 00:20:14,281 Ryan: male child of Eve is corrupted, a male 445 00:20:14,342 --> 00:20:16,189 Ryan: child of Eve is destroyed. 446 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,487 Ryan: So they're both in kind of a sense 447 00:20:19,527 --> 00:20:21,561 Ryan: disqualified, because again, the 448 00:20:21,641 --> 00:20:23,707 Ryan: implication here is the one that destroys 449 00:20:23,807 --> 00:20:25,511 Ryan: the seed of the woman is going to be 450 00:20:25,551 --> 00:20:28,084 Ryan: righteous, not the seed of the woman, the 451 00:20:28,104 --> 00:20:29,489 Ryan: seed of the serpent is going to be 452 00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:29,870 Ryan: righteous. 453 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:36,562 Ryan: So then Seth is born, and then we have this 454 00:20:36,803 --> 00:20:40,151 Ryan: genealogy that makes its way through the 455 00:20:40,211 --> 00:20:43,043 Ryan: early chapters of Genesis, which brings us 456 00:20:43,383 --> 00:20:45,608 Ryan: to, ultimately, to Noah. 457 00:20:46,871 --> 00:20:48,822 Ryan: And what I often say in my classes is the 458 00:20:48,862 --> 00:20:50,285 Ryan: most precious thing that was actually 459 00:20:50,345 --> 00:20:54,420 Ryan: preserved on the ark wasn't animal life we 460 00:20:54,461 --> 00:20:56,527 Ryan: wouldn't even necessarily say it was human 461 00:20:56,588 --> 00:21:00,199 Ryan: life itself it was the promise that God 462 00:21:00,239 --> 00:21:02,364 Ryan: said one of Eve's offspring is going to 463 00:21:02,404 --> 00:21:04,569 Ryan: crush the serpent's head, and that was 464 00:21:04,689 --> 00:21:06,633 Ryan: preserved with Noah on the ark. 465 00:21:07,581 --> 00:21:09,325 Ryan: If God would have wiped out all humanity 466 00:21:09,686 --> 00:21:11,471 Ryan: Genesis 3.15, this crushing of the 467 00:21:11,491 --> 00:21:14,594 Ryan: serpent's head wouldn't be something that 468 00:21:14,635 --> 00:21:15,340 Ryan: would come about. 469 00:21:16,162 --> 00:21:17,927 Ryan: So we have, in the early chapters of 470 00:21:17,987 --> 00:21:21,998 Ryan: Genesis, this raging seed war going on. 471 00:21:23,441 --> 00:21:24,945 Ryan: Yeah, and I'm thinking as you're saying 472 00:21:24,965 --> 00:21:27,771 Ryan: this, that the serpent, at this point, 473 00:21:28,873 --> 00:21:31,259 Ryan: doesn't necessarily have any kind of 474 00:21:31,299 --> 00:21:31,780 Ryan: timetable. 475 00:21:32,441 --> 00:21:34,626 Ryan: He doesn't know if this is next week, next 476 00:21:34,686 --> 00:21:38,174 Ryan: year, thousands of years from now, whatnot, 477 00:21:38,300 --> 00:21:40,907 Ryan: so he's going to counterattack right away 478 00:21:41,008 --> 00:21:45,868 Ryan: Cain and Abel, right, not knowing and 479 00:21:45,888 --> 00:21:46,249 Ryan: thinking. 480 00:21:46,830 --> 00:21:47,792 Ryan: Well, I can thwart this. 481 00:21:48,120 --> 00:21:50,308 Ryan: Right and even the corruption of humanity. 482 00:21:53,281 --> 00:21:56,090 Ryan: There's a debate about whether the sons of 483 00:21:56,130 --> 00:21:58,507 Ryan: God going into the daughters of man was 484 00:21:59,089 --> 00:22:04,110 Ryan: angelic going in to corrupt the line of 485 00:22:04,150 --> 00:22:05,293 Ryan: humanity because it's a human. 486 00:22:06,381 --> 00:22:08,689 Ryan: That's the position that I think is most 487 00:22:08,729 --> 00:22:11,526 Ryan: compelling and I think that is part of the 488 00:22:11,566 --> 00:22:15,427 Ryan: seed war and God when it says Noah was 489 00:22:15,468 --> 00:22:16,711 Ryan: perfect in his generations. 490 00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,330 Andy: You know, I have about a quarter of my 491 00:22:19,390 --> 00:22:20,434 Andy: listeners just turn this off. 492 00:22:20,836 --> 00:22:21,680 Andy: Well, you're one of those guys. 493 00:22:21,881 --> 00:22:23,227 Ryan: Yeah, right exactly. 494 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,664 Ryan: Well, to let them know that's not going to 495 00:22:26,704 --> 00:22:29,649 Ryan: be the dominant theme that we have here oh 496 00:22:29,669 --> 00:22:30,670 Ryan: they don't care about that. 497 00:22:30,731 --> 00:22:33,940 Ryan: No, stay listening, stay listening, there's 498 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,271 Ryan: still a good amount of meat on the bone to 499 00:22:38,331 --> 00:22:38,732 Ryan: nourish you. 500 00:22:39,502 --> 00:22:41,246 Ryan: But again you get to Noah. 501 00:22:41,366 --> 00:22:43,331 Ryan: And again Noah was perfect in his 502 00:22:43,351 --> 00:22:44,013 Ryan: generations. 503 00:22:55,980 --> 00:22:57,302 Ryan: In his generations the seed promise was 504 00:22:57,322 --> 00:22:59,184 Ryan: preserved through God preserving Noah and 505 00:22:59,244 --> 00:23:01,847 Ryan: his family on the ark, and he destroyed the 506 00:23:01,887 --> 00:23:04,049 Ryan: rest of humanity. 507 00:23:04,069 --> 00:23:07,873 Ryan: Now you have them, come out of the Ark and 508 00:23:07,893 --> 00:23:11,097 Ryan: the seed promise is still alive. 509 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:16,501 Ryan: And so the next step is Japheth oh, not 510 00:23:16,522 --> 00:23:16,903 Ryan: Japheth. 511 00:23:17,104 --> 00:23:20,287 Ryan: Shem, shem is the next step of the seed 512 00:23:20,307 --> 00:23:20,568 Ryan: promise. 513 00:23:20,620 --> 00:23:23,204 Ryan: So you have Ham, shem and Japheth, and Shem 514 00:23:23,846 --> 00:23:24,729 Ryan: is the next step. 515 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,104 Ryan: He's the one that's chosen, and we read 516 00:23:28,165 --> 00:23:29,650 Ryan: elements of this in the wake of the ark. 517 00:23:32,305 --> 00:23:33,569 Ryan: And he continues Shem is where we get the 518 00:23:33,589 --> 00:23:34,431 Ryan: term Semitic from. 519 00:23:35,981 --> 00:23:37,341 Ryan: It's a little bit of a misnomer because 520 00:23:37,361 --> 00:23:38,700 Ryan: usually when we talk about Semitic, we're 521 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:39,986 Ryan: talking about just the Jewish people. 522 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,587 Ryan: But if we're being really 523 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:44,566 Andy: it's an allusion to the seed promise. 524 00:23:45,007 --> 00:23:49,408 Ryan: Yeah, it is Shem. 525 00:23:49,448 --> 00:23:51,292 Ryan: And Shem is actually wider in scope than 526 00:23:51,332 --> 00:23:54,607 Ryan: just the Jews, because all the Semitic 527 00:23:54,647 --> 00:23:57,782 Ryan: people come from Shem, if we're being 528 00:23:58,363 --> 00:24:02,233 Ryan: really specific in the way the term is used. 529 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,902 Ryan: But as we look at again the continued 530 00:24:05,922 --> 00:24:08,164 Ryan: genealogy, so there's a continued genealogy. 531 00:24:08,344 --> 00:24:09,285 Ryan: Why does it matter? 532 00:24:09,305 --> 00:24:10,306 Ryan: But as we look at again the continued 533 00:24:10,326 --> 00:24:11,307 Ryan: genealogy, so there's a continued genealogy, 534 00:24:11,367 --> 00:24:11,727 Ryan: why does it matter? 535 00:24:11,747 --> 00:24:12,648 Ryan: What does it matter that Shem, where the 536 00:24:12,668 --> 00:24:15,691 Ryan: line of Shem leads to, well, it stretches 537 00:24:15,751 --> 00:24:17,032 Ryan: back to Genesis 3.15. 538 00:24:17,672 --> 00:24:21,336 Ryan: The next link in the seed promise is a huge 539 00:24:21,516 --> 00:24:23,017 Ryan: one and that is Abraham. 540 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,482 Ryan: So, as we read in chapters 10 and 11 of 541 00:24:27,502 --> 00:24:29,466 Ryan: Genesis which brings us to chapter 12, we 542 00:24:29,526 --> 00:24:32,152 Ryan: have genealogy and elements that lead us to 543 00:24:32,793 --> 00:24:36,326 Ryan: Abraham, and Abraham's significance cannot 544 00:24:36,426 --> 00:24:39,113 Ryan: be really overstated. 545 00:24:39,340 --> 00:24:42,007 Ryan: It is so significant because, out of this 546 00:24:42,067 --> 00:24:44,473 Ryan: sea of humanity, now God chooses Abraham 547 00:24:45,521 --> 00:24:48,449 Ryan: and it's through Abraham that he makes 548 00:24:48,549 --> 00:24:49,512 Ryan: continued promises. 549 00:24:49,620 --> 00:24:53,611 Ryan: Now, this isn't a shift or a change in his 550 00:24:53,671 --> 00:24:55,948 Ryan: plan, it is an advancement of his plan. 551 00:24:57,221 --> 00:24:59,185 Ryan: And when he speaks to Abraham, he speaks to 552 00:24:59,265 --> 00:25:03,694 Ryan: Abraham regarding his Zerah, his seed. 553 00:25:06,804 --> 00:25:09,294 Ryan: Abraham and his seed are going to be 554 00:25:09,615 --> 00:25:10,197 Ryan: blessed. 555 00:25:10,398 --> 00:25:11,721 Ryan: They're going to be blessed with the land 556 00:25:11,781 --> 00:25:15,789 Ryan: of of canaan, um, which they're not going 557 00:25:15,809 --> 00:25:16,450 Ryan: to inherit yet. 558 00:25:17,251 --> 00:25:19,922 Ryan: Uh, we read of that in in genesis as well 559 00:25:20,022 --> 00:25:23,229 Ryan: as in hebrews that abraham, isaac and jacob. 560 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:25,601 Ryan: And, by the way, when we look at that, when 561 00:25:25,621 --> 00:25:27,245 Ryan: we refer to abraham, isaac and jac, you 562 00:25:27,265 --> 00:25:28,047 Ryan: know what we're referring to. 563 00:25:28,067 --> 00:25:30,313 Ryan: We're referring to the seed promise, 564 00:25:31,034 --> 00:25:35,584 Ryan: because Abraham is chosen and then his seed 565 00:25:37,427 --> 00:25:39,390 Ryan: is promised to be the heir of all of these 566 00:25:39,430 --> 00:25:39,911 Ryan: promises. 567 00:25:40,853 --> 00:25:43,863 Ryan: Now, who is the next seed? 568 00:25:43,903 --> 00:25:46,127 Ryan: We have Abraham, and it's Isaac, not Is 569 00:25:46,147 --> 00:25:46,568 Ryan: ishmael. 570 00:25:47,670 --> 00:25:50,074 Ryan: And then from isaac, isaac has twins. 571 00:25:52,003 --> 00:25:54,807 Ryan: And who's the next link in the seed promise? 572 00:25:55,368 --> 00:25:57,952 Ryan: Is it esau or is it jacob? 573 00:25:58,694 --> 00:26:00,441 Ryan: And ultimately, it's jacob, whose name then 574 00:26:00,481 --> 00:26:06,989 Ryan: becomes israel, israel, uh, is um or jacob, 575 00:26:07,610 --> 00:26:09,933 Ryan: abraham, isa, israel, abraham, isaac and 576 00:26:09,953 --> 00:26:15,226 Ryan: Jacob has 12 sons and at the end of Genesis, 577 00:26:15,326 --> 00:26:17,613 Ryan: there is promises given and ultimately, the 578 00:26:17,753 --> 00:26:21,582 Ryan: son that is going to continue this promise 579 00:26:21,842 --> 00:26:25,247 Ryan: of messianic lineage is Judah. 580 00:26:26,168 --> 00:26:28,091 Ryan: And so you look at the book of Genesis 581 00:26:28,251 --> 00:26:28,752 Ryan: itself. 582 00:26:30,234 --> 00:26:32,982 Ryan: The genealogies that we find in Genesis all 583 00:26:33,222 --> 00:26:35,326 Ryan: speak of this lineage, of the seed promise. 584 00:26:36,648 --> 00:26:41,981 Ryan: Now you start with Genesis 3.15, and 585 00:26:42,001 --> 00:26:45,707 Ryan: Genesis 3.15 is our first parents, and Eve 586 00:26:46,028 --> 00:26:48,593 Ryan: is ultimately going to give birth to an 587 00:26:48,693 --> 00:26:49,795 Ryan: heir, and that heir is Seth. 588 00:26:50,703 --> 00:26:53,235 Ryan: And we see all of these genealogies made 589 00:26:53,296 --> 00:26:56,705 Ryan: throughout the book of Genesis which lead 590 00:26:56,845 --> 00:27:03,587 Ryan: us and we end with Judah being the one that 591 00:27:03,647 --> 00:27:07,604 Ryan: has messianic elements to it that it's 592 00:27:07,684 --> 00:27:08,025 Ryan: going to. 593 00:27:08,366 --> 00:27:10,330 Ryan: The scepter will not depart from Judah 594 00:27:10,391 --> 00:27:13,284 Ryan: until Shiloh comes, and to him will be the 595 00:27:13,325 --> 00:27:14,228 Ryan: obedience of the people. 596 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,029 Ryan: So Genesis is a book all about the seed 597 00:27:17,069 --> 00:27:19,806 Ryan: promise and that same promise that was 598 00:27:19,826 --> 00:27:22,785 Ryan: given to Abraham that in him and in his 599 00:27:22,826 --> 00:27:24,510 Ryan: seed, all the nations of the earth will be 600 00:27:24,571 --> 00:27:27,128 Ryan: blessed, they will inherit the land seed. 601 00:27:27,149 --> 00:27:28,313 Ryan: All the nations of the earth will be 602 00:27:28,333 --> 00:27:29,859 Ryan: blessed, they will inherit the land. 603 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,903 Ryan: All of these things are outworkings of what 604 00:27:39,923 --> 00:27:40,623 Ryan: we find in Genesis, chapter three. 605 00:27:40,643 --> 00:27:42,005 Ryan: It's a continued advancement. 606 00:27:42,025 --> 00:27:46,410 Ryan: So, historically, then, we find the seed 607 00:27:46,450 --> 00:27:48,432 Ryan: promise go quiet for a while. 608 00:27:49,493 --> 00:27:52,617 Ryan: It's not that the seed war isn't happening, 609 00:27:53,261 --> 00:27:56,726 Ryan: because when we begin in Exodus, there is 610 00:27:58,349 --> 00:28:01,093 Ryan: what is often called the first pogrom of 611 00:28:01,554 --> 00:28:04,682 Ryan: the Israelites and I want to be careful 612 00:28:04,722 --> 00:28:06,326 Ryan: here, because it's very interesting we 613 00:28:06,386 --> 00:28:08,571 Ryan: often use the, we might say the first 614 00:28:08,591 --> 00:28:09,613 Ryan: program of the Jewish people. 615 00:28:11,321 --> 00:28:13,666 Ryan: Well, that's a little bit anachronistic, 616 00:28:14,207 --> 00:28:16,833 Ryan: because at this time there were Hebrews or 617 00:28:16,933 --> 00:28:17,474 Ryan: Israelites. 618 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,729 Ryan: Yes, there was the tribe of Judah within 619 00:28:20,769 --> 00:28:26,565 Ryan: them, but the entity known as the Jewish 620 00:28:26,645 --> 00:28:30,188 Ryan: people wouldn't become kind of known as a 621 00:28:30,629 --> 00:28:32,531 Ryan: specific entity until after the split of 622 00:28:32,551 --> 00:28:35,994 Ryan: the kingdom in 930 BC, which you had Judah 623 00:28:36,074 --> 00:28:39,381 Ryan: to the south and Israel to the north, but 624 00:28:39,481 --> 00:28:41,484 Ryan: nevertheless, the first pogrom of the 625 00:28:41,564 --> 00:28:47,311 Ryan: Israelites to try to destroy this nation of 626 00:28:47,471 --> 00:28:50,916 Ryan: the Israelites is found in Exodus, chapter 627 00:28:51,096 --> 00:28:51,176 Ryan: 1. 628 00:28:52,962 --> 00:28:55,870 Ryan: And it's fascinating to look at what was 629 00:28:55,970 --> 00:28:56,472 Ryan: attempted. 630 00:28:58,661 --> 00:29:02,032 Ryan: The Pharaoh that did not remember or know 631 00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:05,364 Ryan: Joseph, after many generations, that 632 00:29:05,444 --> 00:29:06,428 Ryan: generation died. 633 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,581 Ryan: After many generations, that generation 634 00:29:07,601 --> 00:29:11,204 Ryan: died, but Israel grew to a large and mighty 635 00:29:11,264 --> 00:29:14,067 Ryan: people within the realm of Egypt. 636 00:29:15,088 --> 00:29:19,692 Ryan: You find that the Pharaoh that did not 637 00:29:19,732 --> 00:29:23,615 Ryan: remember Joseph began persecuting the 638 00:29:23,736 --> 00:29:30,088 Ryan: people of Israel and it advances in stages 639 00:29:30,108 --> 00:29:31,603 Ryan: until you get to the point where they want 640 00:29:31,664 --> 00:29:32,427 Ryan: to kill what? 641 00:29:34,261 --> 00:29:36,628 Ryan: Every male child. 642 00:29:37,490 --> 00:29:38,172 Ryan: Isn't that interesting? 643 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,106 Ryan: So every it's. 644 00:29:41,788 --> 00:29:43,985 Ryan: Let the daughters live, but we're gonna 645 00:29:44,106 --> 00:29:47,344 Ryan: kill every male child that comes forth from 646 00:29:47,585 --> 00:29:49,290 Ryan: this people. 647 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,286 Ryan: And I think again from a big picture 648 00:29:53,327 --> 00:29:56,820 Ryan: perspective, that is the seed war, the 649 00:29:56,881 --> 00:29:59,930 Ryan: serpent looking to destroy the male 650 00:29:59,990 --> 00:30:00,391 Ryan: children. 651 00:30:01,100 --> 00:30:05,525 Ryan: And this continues as the like, I said, the 652 00:30:05,565 --> 00:30:06,206 Ryan: seed promise. 653 00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:10,430 Ryan: As far as specifically the genealogy goes 654 00:30:10,511 --> 00:30:15,356 Ryan: quiet during the rest of the Torah, for the 655 00:30:15,396 --> 00:30:19,544 Ryan: most part because another tribe really 656 00:30:19,604 --> 00:30:22,848 Ryan: becomes front and center, and that's the 657 00:30:22,888 --> 00:30:24,609 Ryan: tribe of Levi, because of the giving of the 658 00:30:24,670 --> 00:30:24,910 Ryan: law. 659 00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:27,052 Ryan: Tribe of Levi because of the giving of the 660 00:30:27,072 --> 00:30:29,475 Ryan: law, but right when they enter into the 661 00:30:29,515 --> 00:30:30,316 Ryan: promised land. 662 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,581 Ryan: It's interesting that the seed promise, in 663 00:30:41,601 --> 00:30:42,683 Ryan: kind of a radical way, takes center stage 664 00:30:42,803 --> 00:30:42,983 Ryan: again Now. 665 00:30:43,003 --> 00:30:45,748 Ryan: Like I said, there's the singular lineage, 666 00:30:45,808 --> 00:30:47,811 Ryan: this ancestry that is running through 667 00:30:49,714 --> 00:30:50,114 Ryan: history. 668 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,363 Ryan: Now, ultimately, as we approach the New 669 00:30:57,383 --> 00:30:58,826 Ryan: Testament, we know from the testimony of 670 00:30:58,846 --> 00:31:00,810 Ryan: the New Covenant writings that Jesus is the 671 00:31:00,950 --> 00:31:02,854 Ryan: ultimate fulfillment of this seed promise, 672 00:31:04,241 --> 00:31:05,683 Ryan: this genealogy. 673 00:31:06,385 --> 00:31:09,310 Ryan: What I often talk about in my classes is is 674 00:31:09,370 --> 00:31:12,903 Ryan: imagine there being a dragnet, a figurative 675 00:31:12,943 --> 00:31:15,369 Ryan: dragnet, that all of the promises and 676 00:31:15,429 --> 00:31:18,742 Ryan: inheritance that is given to this seed, 677 00:31:19,322 --> 00:31:25,130 Ryan: this ancestry, after it is, after the heir 678 00:31:25,230 --> 00:31:30,036 Ryan: dies, or it's, or the inheritance is passed 679 00:31:30,276 --> 00:31:34,024 Ryan: on, it drags to the next one, so one that 680 00:31:34,064 --> 00:31:36,261 Ryan: is going to crush the serpent's head, one 681 00:31:36,281 --> 00:31:37,961 Ryan: that's going to bless all the nations, one 682 00:31:37,981 --> 00:31:41,251 Ryan: that is going to be the heir of the land 683 00:31:43,420 --> 00:31:46,067 Ryan: and ultimately, this is drawing us 684 00:31:46,308 --> 00:31:49,361 Ryan: historically then towards David, because 685 00:31:49,422 --> 00:31:51,368 Ryan: David's the next big link in the seed 686 00:31:51,408 --> 00:31:56,750 Ryan: promise, but the bridge between the Exodus 687 00:31:56,850 --> 00:31:57,632 Ryan: and the monarchy. 688 00:31:59,422 --> 00:32:02,591 Ryan: When you find the elements of genealogy, 689 00:32:03,142 --> 00:32:05,920 Ryan: one, like I said, it's really surprising 690 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,230 Ryan: because this prostitute from Jericho, rahab, 691 00:32:11,503 --> 00:32:14,812 Ryan: she becomes legendary because of her faith 692 00:32:14,912 --> 00:32:19,724 Ryan: in the Lord and helping the spies, but the 693 00:32:19,784 --> 00:32:23,310 Ryan: big contribution that she actually has, I 694 00:32:23,491 --> 00:32:25,294 Ryan: should say the biggest contribution she has 695 00:32:26,062 --> 00:32:29,029 Ryan: to salvation history is that she marries a 696 00:32:29,089 --> 00:32:32,643 Ryan: man from the tribe of Judah, and Rahab 697 00:32:32,704 --> 00:32:37,633 Ryan: becomes part of this advancing of the seed 698 00:32:37,673 --> 00:32:38,054 Ryan: promise. 699 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:42,727 Ryan: So Rahab and Salmon, they produce. 700 00:32:42,887 --> 00:32:45,352 Ryan: And there's another big surprise that comes 701 00:32:45,392 --> 00:32:49,228 Ryan: a couple generations later and that is Ruth. 702 00:32:50,201 --> 00:32:51,467 Ryan: Ruth marries Boaz. 703 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,645 Ryan: So you have a Canaanite woman and a Moabite 704 00:32:53,685 --> 00:32:59,584 Ryan: woman that God chooses to marry, and the 705 00:33:00,406 --> 00:33:03,092 Ryan: book of Matthew stresses these things in 706 00:33:03,132 --> 00:33:03,753 Ryan: chapter 1. 707 00:33:04,540 --> 00:33:08,389 Ryan: So we'll get to that in a moment, but we 708 00:33:08,429 --> 00:33:12,143 Ryan: want to stop and demonstrate david as the 709 00:33:12,203 --> 00:33:18,052 Ryan: next kind of the um portion of the 710 00:33:18,113 --> 00:33:19,355 Ryan: advancement of the seed promise. 711 00:33:19,435 --> 00:33:24,187 Ryan: So, uh, you know, ruth is is a. 712 00:33:24,407 --> 00:33:27,211 Ryan: It is an amazing story, but it's you. 713 00:33:27,251 --> 00:33:29,434 Ryan: But a lot of people gravitate towards the 714 00:33:29,755 --> 00:33:33,088 Ryan: romance or the elements therein of these 715 00:33:33,149 --> 00:33:34,051 Ryan: two people coming together. 716 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:35,929 Ryan: But when you get to the end of Ruth, we see 717 00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:38,061 Ryan: the main purpose of the book of Ruth was to 718 00:33:38,121 --> 00:33:40,269 Ryan: show the genealogy that leads us to David. 719 00:33:41,241 --> 00:33:42,945 Ryan: So the seed promise continues. 720 00:33:43,547 --> 00:33:46,483 Ryan: That began with Eve, goes through Abraham, 721 00:33:46,604 --> 00:33:49,123 Ryan: isaac and Jacob and Judah, and now it 722 00:33:49,183 --> 00:33:50,147 Ryan: brings us to David. 723 00:33:51,221 --> 00:33:56,068 Ryan: And David, in 2 Samuel, chapter 7, is given 724 00:33:56,088 --> 00:33:58,685 Ryan: a covenant and God makes a covenant with 725 00:33:59,147 --> 00:34:02,169 Ryan: David, very similar to what he did with 726 00:34:02,249 --> 00:34:04,145 Ryan: Abraham, and the covenant has to do with 727 00:34:04,205 --> 00:34:05,209 Ryan: David's Zerah. 728 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:06,527 Ryan: Once again we have that seed promise. 729 00:34:06,547 --> 00:34:07,314 Ryan: And this has to do with David's Zerah. 730 00:34:07,334 --> 00:34:09,260 Ryan: Once again we have that seed promise and 731 00:34:09,381 --> 00:34:15,430 Ryan: this has to do with kingship and the living 732 00:34:15,751 --> 00:34:18,655 Ryan: of Israel as a nation and peace in the land. 733 00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:20,097 Ryan: And that's going to come through the son of 734 00:34:20,157 --> 00:34:20,360 Ryan: David. 735 00:34:20,420 --> 00:34:23,044 Ryan: And this, of course, is where we get really 736 00:34:23,364 --> 00:34:25,327 Ryan: heightened and specific messianic 737 00:34:26,349 --> 00:34:29,794 Ryan: terminology and and expectation the son of 738 00:34:29,854 --> 00:34:30,154 Ryan: david. 739 00:34:30,214 --> 00:34:32,303 Ryan: And so we see the prophets speak of this 740 00:34:32,423 --> 00:34:33,607 Ryan: son of david that's coming. 741 00:34:34,368 --> 00:34:38,158 Ryan: So again, all of these things have a 742 00:34:38,379 --> 00:34:42,025 Ryan: singular purpose and a singular source in 743 00:34:42,065 --> 00:34:45,311 Ryan: this seed promise, stretching back to gen 3 744 00:34:45,371 --> 00:34:46,653 Ryan: verse 15. 745 00:34:52,540 --> 00:34:54,386 Ryan: So, advancing through the seed promise, the 746 00:34:54,486 --> 00:35:01,242 Ryan: last link that we kind of have again, the 747 00:35:01,262 --> 00:35:02,306 Ryan: last real big link that we have in the Old 748 00:35:02,346 --> 00:35:03,210 Ryan: Testament to this seed promise, is 749 00:35:03,230 --> 00:35:03,672 Ryan: Zerubbabel. 750 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:09,148 Ryan: Zerubbabel is a man that comes back from 751 00:35:09,188 --> 00:35:13,801 Ryan: the exile and is governor in Judah and his 752 00:35:14,002 --> 00:35:17,472 Ryan: name is fascinating because, first off, 753 00:35:17,512 --> 00:35:19,799 Ryan: he's really the last big name in the seed 754 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:21,402 Ryan: promise that we find in the Old Testament, 755 00:35:22,083 --> 00:35:24,467 Ryan: but his name you can kind of hear the word 756 00:35:24,547 --> 00:35:25,188 Ryan: Zerah there. 757 00:35:25,208 --> 00:35:26,169 Ryan: You can kind of hear the word Zerah there 758 00:35:26,189 --> 00:35:29,134 Ryan: Zerubbabel, and his name means seed from 759 00:35:29,174 --> 00:35:29,694 Ryan: Babylon. 760 00:35:33,180 --> 00:35:33,887 Ryan: So there's all sorts of interesting 761 00:35:33,907 --> 00:35:34,755 Ryan: elements that we don't have time to get 762 00:35:34,775 --> 00:35:35,785 Ryan: into in regards to this, but there's a 763 00:35:35,866 --> 00:35:41,010 Ryan: curse with Jeconiah and, ultimately, this 764 00:35:41,251 --> 00:35:43,667 Ryan: question of is the Davidic dynasty going to 765 00:35:43,727 --> 00:35:44,048 Ryan: last? 766 00:35:44,180 --> 00:35:45,926 Ryan: If we know anything about the promises of 767 00:35:45,966 --> 00:35:48,662 Ryan: God, we know it's going to, and Zerubbabel 768 00:35:48,802 --> 00:35:52,849 Ryan: turns out to be that key that maintains the 769 00:35:53,831 --> 00:35:58,707 Ryan: uh, the seed promise, uh, it's life. 770 00:35:58,927 --> 00:36:01,132 Ryan: Of course we know it can't fail because god 771 00:36:01,232 --> 00:36:01,893 Ryan: has promised it. 772 00:36:03,641 --> 00:36:07,305 Ryan: But then we get of the during the silent 773 00:36:07,345 --> 00:36:10,988 Ryan: years and we finally get to the arrival of 774 00:36:11,108 --> 00:36:13,270 Ryan: the sea, the singular one, the he that is 775 00:36:13,290 --> 00:36:14,611 Ryan: going to crush the serpent's head, the 776 00:36:14,852 --> 00:36:16,953 Ryan: offspring of Abraham that is going to be 777 00:36:17,434 --> 00:36:19,816 Ryan: the true singular one, the singular son of 778 00:36:19,876 --> 00:36:21,277 Ryan: David that is going to be the Messiah. 779 00:36:22,261 --> 00:36:24,046 Ryan: And how does the New Testament start? 780 00:36:24,869 --> 00:36:25,551 Ryan: So let's read it. 781 00:36:26,182 --> 00:36:27,848 Ryan: Let's read Matthew 1, verse 1. 782 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:30,427 Andy: The genealogy of Jesus Christ. 783 00:36:31,681 --> 00:36:33,609 Andy: The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, 784 00:36:33,740 --> 00:36:35,325 Andy: the son of David, the son of Abraham. 785 00:36:36,087 --> 00:36:37,631 Ryan: Yeah, this first one, this first one. 786 00:36:37,740 --> 00:36:40,990 Ryan: So the way we read our Bibles most of us, I 787 00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:43,240 Ryan: guess we turn from Malachi to Matthew and 788 00:36:43,260 --> 00:36:55,681 Ryan: the first thing we see is a genealogy and 789 00:36:55,701 --> 00:36:57,967 Ryan: it's stressed that he's the son of David 790 00:36:58,007 --> 00:36:58,629 Ryan: and the son of Abraham. 791 00:36:58,649 --> 00:36:59,612 Ryan: This is the seed promise. 792 00:36:59,632 --> 00:37:00,695 Ryan: The reason why both Matthew and Luke have 793 00:37:00,715 --> 00:37:01,537 Ryan: genealogies is to note the fulfillment of 794 00:37:01,557 --> 00:37:01,898 Ryan: the seed promise. 795 00:37:01,918 --> 00:37:04,301 Ryan: And so you have in Matthew you have Abraham 796 00:37:04,341 --> 00:37:07,163 Ryan: and David being the ones that are stressed. 797 00:37:07,924 --> 00:37:10,486 Ryan: In Luke, you have it going all the way back 798 00:37:10,726 --> 00:37:13,268 Ryan: to Adam. 799 00:37:13,508 --> 00:37:16,250 Ryan: And so fascinating to see. 800 00:37:17,571 --> 00:37:20,453 Ryan: Maybe that's fodder for a future episode. 801 00:37:20,473 --> 00:37:22,214 Andy: The differences between those two 802 00:37:22,294 --> 00:37:23,055 Andy: genealogies. 803 00:37:23,215 --> 00:37:34,240 Ryan: Yep, it's a fascinating journey which 804 00:37:34,260 --> 00:37:35,304 Ryan: ultimately that might not be that 805 00:37:35,324 --> 00:37:36,186 Ryan: satisfying because I don't have the 806 00:37:36,206 --> 00:37:37,209 Ryan: ultimate answer, but I do know kind of the 807 00:37:37,230 --> 00:37:38,112 Ryan: ins and outs of the differences and I do 808 00:37:38,132 --> 00:37:39,176 Ryan: have some grasp of why there are 809 00:37:39,236 --> 00:37:39,697 Ryan: differences. 810 00:37:39,900 --> 00:37:41,964 Andy: But as far as you have a quick like, maybe 811 00:37:42,004 --> 00:37:44,469 Andy: a few minute, take on that to offer, or 812 00:37:44,830 --> 00:37:45,712 Andy: best saved for? 813 00:37:45,892 --> 00:37:46,694 Ryan: No, I can. 814 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:53,583 Ryan: I can give you my opinion first, what we 815 00:37:53,663 --> 00:37:57,169 Ryan: can know, okay, uh, Matthew's purpose is to 816 00:37:57,389 --> 00:37:59,533 Ryan: declare jesus as the son of abraham and the 817 00:37:59,573 --> 00:38:02,183 Ryan: son of david, and that is, he's the one 818 00:38:02,203 --> 00:38:05,528 Ryan: that blesses the nations and the and the 819 00:38:05,688 --> 00:38:08,853 Ryan: one that is the Davidic king, the one that 820 00:38:08,893 --> 00:38:10,175 Ryan: has all authority as the king. 821 00:38:10,780 --> 00:38:12,724 Ryan: And we really see that in the bookends of 822 00:38:12,845 --> 00:38:13,286 Ryan: Matthew. 823 00:38:14,047 --> 00:38:16,473 Ryan: In Matthew, we see it beginning with the 824 00:38:16,513 --> 00:38:17,582 Ryan: son of David, the son of Abraham. 825 00:38:17,602 --> 00:38:19,167 Ryan: The son of Abraham is going to bless all 826 00:38:19,187 --> 00:38:19,728 Ryan: the nations. 827 00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:22,362 Ryan: That's what is declared In you and your 828 00:38:22,402 --> 00:38:23,664 Ryan: seed, I will bless the nations. 829 00:38:24,666 --> 00:38:28,893 Ryan: And at the end of the book of Matthew, you 830 00:38:28,933 --> 00:38:30,741 Ryan: have Jesus give the great commission and he 831 00:38:30,801 --> 00:38:33,048 Ryan: says behold, all authority is given to me 832 00:38:33,068 --> 00:38:33,730 Ryan: in heaven, on earth. 833 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,860 Ryan: That's the Messiah, the son of David. 834 00:38:36,723 --> 00:38:38,167 Ryan: And he says go, therefore, and make 835 00:38:38,207 --> 00:38:39,130 Ryan: disciples of what? 836 00:38:40,162 --> 00:38:41,207 Ryan: Of all the nations. 837 00:38:41,740 --> 00:38:45,048 Ryan: So he is the fulfillment of the promises 838 00:38:45,088 --> 00:38:47,313 Ryan: given to David and to Abraham. 839 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,363 Ryan: Fulfillment of the promises given to David 840 00:38:53,383 --> 00:38:53,764 Ryan: and to Abraham. 841 00:38:53,784 --> 00:38:54,646 Ryan: Luke is fascinating because Luke doesn't 842 00:38:54,666 --> 00:38:55,589 Ryan: begin his gospel with the genealogy. 843 00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:58,777 Ryan: It's wedged in chapter three, right after 844 00:38:58,817 --> 00:39:00,521 Ryan: the baptism of Jesus, when it's declared 845 00:39:00,561 --> 00:39:01,402 Ryan: you are my son. 846 00:39:02,244 --> 00:39:03,726 Ryan: And rather than having an ascending 847 00:39:03,806 --> 00:39:09,816 Ryan: genealogy that takes us from the beginning, 848 00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:13,391 Ryan: from Abraham it descends, it goes backwards. 849 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,989 Ryan: So the purpose that Luke is developing is 850 00:39:20,049 --> 00:39:24,181 Ryan: to show that Jesus is the son of God, the 851 00:39:24,442 --> 00:39:26,469 Ryan: one that is going to destroy the works of 852 00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:29,307 Ryan: the devil, and he takes us back to the 853 00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:31,605 Ryan: garden where Adam failed. 854 00:39:32,006 --> 00:39:34,712 Ryan: It descends back to Adam, the son of God, 855 00:39:34,732 --> 00:39:36,121 Ryan: and we're taken back to the garden where 856 00:39:36,261 --> 00:39:41,611 Ryan: Adam failed, and so it's after the baptism 857 00:39:41,992 --> 00:39:43,861 Ryan: and before the temptation in the wilderness 858 00:39:43,881 --> 00:39:44,944 Ryan: that you have this genealogy. 859 00:39:45,044 --> 00:39:47,230 Ryan: So he takes us back all the way to the 860 00:39:47,250 --> 00:39:51,382 Ryan: garden to contrast Adam with Jesus, because 861 00:39:51,482 --> 00:39:55,188 Ryan: Jesus then goes forth and is tempted by the 862 00:39:55,269 --> 00:39:58,307 Ryan: serpent, and where Adam disobeyed, jesus 863 00:39:58,368 --> 00:39:58,689 Ryan: obeyed. 864 00:39:59,521 --> 00:40:01,422 Ryan: That's why that's there and I'm very 865 00:40:01,482 --> 00:40:02,707 Ryan: confident that's why that's there. 866 00:40:04,563 --> 00:40:06,813 Ryan: The bigger question I shouldn't say the 867 00:40:06,833 --> 00:40:07,240 Ryan: bigger question. 868 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:08,807 Andy: I like how you juxtapose this because I, 869 00:40:09,301 --> 00:40:11,084 Andy: you know, I often, unless I'm sitting there 870 00:40:11,144 --> 00:40:15,392 Andy: reading myself, it's easy to lose track, 871 00:40:15,512 --> 00:40:18,443 Andy: for me at least, of where these different 872 00:40:18,904 --> 00:40:21,188 Andy: stories come together within a book, like, 873 00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:24,154 Andy: right, you know, um, I would have to go 874 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,446 Andy: back and look to see, oh, the genealogy is 875 00:40:26,506 --> 00:40:27,589 Andy: followed by the temptations. 876 00:40:27,649 --> 00:40:28,412 Andy: I didn't remember that. 877 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:34,010 Andy: But I like the emphasis on context, because 878 00:40:34,591 --> 00:40:37,176 Andy: there's always something you can glean from 879 00:40:37,557 --> 00:40:38,880 Andy: expanding the context a little bit. 880 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,907 Ryan: Yeah, and I remember when I was first 881 00:40:41,947 --> 00:40:43,131 Ryan: reading the Bible and I thought it was 882 00:40:43,191 --> 00:40:45,980 Ryan: weird that a genealogy is wedged right here, 883 00:40:46,161 --> 00:40:47,426 Ryan: right in between the baptism and the 884 00:40:47,466 --> 00:40:47,928 Ryan: temptation. 885 00:40:48,380 --> 00:40:49,083 Ryan: Why is there a genealogy is wedged right 886 00:40:48,989 --> 00:40:49,432 Ryan: here, right in between the baptism and the 887 00:40:49,338 --> 00:40:49,618 Ryan: temptation? 888 00:40:49,524 --> 00:40:49,954 Ryan: Why is there a genealogy there? 889 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,225 Andy: Well, it's good to keep in mind that the 890 00:40:52,385 --> 00:40:54,610 Andy: chapter and verse demarcations didn't come 891 00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:56,554 Andy: along until much, much later, Right? 892 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,429 Andy: So as Luke was writing this, he didn't say 893 00:41:00,469 --> 00:41:01,993 Andy: this is chapter one of my letter 894 00:41:02,180 --> 00:41:05,189 Ryan: and here's chapter four, that new topic, 895 00:41:05,309 --> 00:41:05,871 Ryan: right, right. 896 00:41:06,180 --> 00:41:11,103 Ryan: And so, yeah, it's there for a reason and 897 00:41:12,127 --> 00:41:12,950 Ryan: there's themes. 898 00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:14,925 Ryan: That's one thing to remember about the 899 00:41:14,965 --> 00:41:15,347 Ryan: Gospels. 900 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,544 Ryan: The Gospels each have themes, and Luke has, 901 00:41:18,665 --> 00:41:20,189 Ryan: even though he's drawing from a lot of the 902 00:41:20,209 --> 00:41:22,322 Ryan: same source material historical source 903 00:41:22,362 --> 00:41:24,328 Ryan: material, it's. 904 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,946 Andy: Well, Luke was a physician. 905 00:41:27,568 --> 00:41:27,729 Ryan: Yeah 906 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:34,923 Andy: it'swell, luke was a physician, yeah, and 907 00:41:34,943 --> 00:41:35,867 Andy: so I sometimes see that him going back to 908 00:41:35,887 --> 00:41:36,670 Andy: adam, as you know, kind of what you're 909 00:41:36,690 --> 00:41:37,774 Andy: saying, but also just to emphasize that 910 00:41:37,794 --> 00:41:38,697 Andy: he's, he's a man. 911 00:41:38,777 --> 00:41:40,962 Andy: Jesus is him, he's a son of god, but he is 912 00:41:41,002 --> 00:41:41,403 Andy: a man 913 00:41:41,503 --> 00:41:41,683 Ryan: right, 914 00:41:43,185 --> 00:41:44,207 Andy: emphasizing his 915 00:41:44,267 --> 00:41:44,868 Ryan: humanity. 916 00:41:45,108 --> 00:41:48,693 Ryan: sure, and and going back to, and again, 917 00:41:48,733 --> 00:41:51,362 Ryan: he's, but, but he's the ultimate man, he's 918 00:41:51,402 --> 00:41:55,110 Ryan: the man that succeeds, uh, he's the he in, 919 00:41:55,170 --> 00:41:57,996 Ryan: in a sense of genesis, chapter 3, verse 15, 920 00:41:58,257 --> 00:41:59,301 Ryan: he's the one that actually is going to 921 00:41:59,321 --> 00:42:03,087 Ryan: crush the serpent's head, so reminding us, 922 00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:05,230 Ryan: taking us back to the garden. 923 00:42:06,612 --> 00:42:07,814 Ryan: Uh, is, is a way to. 924 00:42:08,395 --> 00:42:10,919 Ryan: Again, it's subtle, but it's brilliant, uh, 925 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:11,801 Ryan: you know so. 926 00:42:12,563 --> 00:42:14,829 Ryan: Uh, the other thing in regards and this is 927 00:42:14,869 --> 00:42:16,072 Ryan: something that we really don't have time to 928 00:42:16,112 --> 00:42:18,803 Ryan: get into but the question about the 929 00:42:18,883 --> 00:42:26,432 Ryan: differences, um in, in, uh, the names of, 930 00:42:27,433 --> 00:42:29,936 Ryan: uh, luke, matthew's genealogies 931 00:42:31,682 --> 00:42:33,387 Andy: He follows two different branches in the 932 00:42:33,427 --> 00:42:34,029 Andy: tree 933 00:42:35,540 --> 00:42:39,500 Ryan: and that's the historical suggestion. 934 00:42:40,082 --> 00:42:43,250 Ryan: I should say it's really pretty modern, but 935 00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:43,972 Ryan: it goes back. 936 00:42:44,401 --> 00:42:46,709 Ryan: There are evidences that goes back to, I 937 00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:48,503 Ryan: think, the early church that suggested this 938 00:42:49,745 --> 00:42:54,941 Ryan: was that Luke's was Mary's genealogy and 939 00:42:55,764 --> 00:42:57,690 Ryan: Matthew's is Joseph's. 940 00:42:59,661 --> 00:43:02,609 Ryan: The problem that I have with that is that's 941 00:43:02,649 --> 00:43:03,532 Ryan: not what the text says, 942 00:43:03,881 --> 00:43:05,186 Andy: that's where I was going to go. 943 00:43:05,186 --> 00:43:07,586 Andy: I've heard that many times times, but when 944 00:43:07,907 --> 00:43:10,583 Andy: I just put that aside and read it, yeah, I 945 00:43:10,604 --> 00:43:11,004 Andy: don't see it 946 00:43:11,165 --> 00:43:14,372 Ryan: no, it just says this is, you know, he was 947 00:43:14,392 --> 00:43:16,262 Ryan: the son of, as was supposed, the son of 948 00:43:16,302 --> 00:43:19,048 Ryan: joseph, who was the son of, and then it 949 00:43:19,368 --> 00:43:21,894 Ryan: continues, uh, and then it takes us all the 950 00:43:21,900 --> 00:43:22,281 Ryan: way back. 951 00:43:22,361 --> 00:43:24,185 Ryan: So, uh, that 952 00:43:24,225 --> 00:43:25,768 Andy: well, be so that's wherewe get trouble 953 00:43:25,849 --> 00:43:29,784 Andy: from our unbelieving neighbors is they like 954 00:43:29,804 --> 00:43:32,070 Andy: to go to these differences and point at it 955 00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:35,508 Andy: as contradictions, because they both do 956 00:43:35,568 --> 00:43:41,761 Andy: appear to go through Joseph, but they're so. 957 00:43:41,802 --> 00:43:44,891 Andy: I'm just looking at Luke 3.23. 958 00:43:45,700 --> 00:43:47,065 Andy: Jesus, when he began his ministry, was 959 00:43:47,106 --> 00:43:48,883 Andy: about 30 years of age, being the son, as 960 00:43:48,923 --> 00:43:51,411 Andy: was supposed, of Joseph, the son of Heli. 961 00:43:51,761 --> 00:43:53,448 Ryan: So again we have son of Joseph, son of Heli. 962 00:43:54,641 --> 00:43:57,469 Ryan: It would be a cinch if it says Joseph, the 963 00:43:57,529 --> 00:43:59,784 Ryan: husband of Mary, who was the daughter of 964 00:43:59,864 --> 00:44:02,144 Ryan: so-and-so, who was the son of, but that's 965 00:44:02,164 --> 00:44:03,660 Ryan: not what it says, right? 966 00:44:03,901 --> 00:44:06,089 Ryan: It says it's tracing it through Joseph. 967 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,262 Ryan: So I do think again, both genealogies are 968 00:44:12,282 --> 00:44:13,625 Ryan: correct in what they are trying to 969 00:44:13,665 --> 00:44:14,266 Ryan: demonstrate. 970 00:44:15,128 --> 00:44:15,749 Ryan: Uh, they're. 971 00:44:16,089 --> 00:44:17,873 Ryan: the difference is again go ahead 972 00:44:18,013 --> 00:44:19,302 Andy: sorry, as you were talking, I just kept 973 00:44:19,422 --> 00:44:19,643 Andy: looking. 974 00:44:19,663 --> 00:44:21,748 Andy: I went back to Matthew, chapter 1, and we 975 00:44:21,788 --> 00:44:23,111 Andy: got verse 16. 976 00:44:23,291 --> 00:44:24,642 Andy: We're getting to the end of the genealogy. 977 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:28,170 Andy: At this point it says and and Jacob, the 978 00:44:28,210 --> 00:44:29,953 Andy: father of Joseph, husband of Mary. 979 00:44:30,220 --> 00:44:30,822 Andy: So there again. 980 00:44:31,224 --> 00:44:33,803 Andy: This is why, like I said, I've heard this 981 00:44:33,943 --> 00:44:37,029 Andy: Mary versus Joseph genealogy, but that's 982 00:44:37,251 --> 00:44:38,360 Andy: the plain reading of the text. 983 00:44:38,460 --> 00:44:39,545 Ryan: The plain reading of the text doesn't. 984 00:44:40,581 --> 00:44:42,841 Andy: But then that brings the question and we're 985 00:44:42,861 --> 00:44:44,126 Andy: getting a little sidetracked. 986 00:44:44,187 --> 00:44:45,702 Andy: I hope, but it's still part of the seed 987 00:44:45,842 --> 00:44:47,405 Andy: promise element. 988 00:44:47,565 --> 00:44:49,608 Andy: So Matthew says it's the father of Joseph 989 00:44:49,628 --> 00:44:52,833 Andy: with Jacob, whereas Luke says it's Heli. 990 00:44:53,094 --> 00:44:53,254 Ryan: Right. 991 00:44:56,663 --> 00:44:58,547 Ryan: So which is right, and here are some of the 992 00:45:00,932 --> 00:45:03,265 Ryan: suggestions for it, outside of the Mary 993 00:45:03,286 --> 00:45:05,646 Ryan: thing, which, again, I don't see. 994 00:45:07,050 --> 00:45:09,767 Ryan: You know, playing with the text, they're 995 00:45:09,787 --> 00:45:13,544 Ryan: tracing it through Joseph, first off, we 996 00:45:13,624 --> 00:45:16,321 Ryan: know these are selective genealogies, so a 997 00:45:16,421 --> 00:45:18,206 Ryan: son of doesn't necessarily mean an 998 00:45:18,486 --> 00:45:22,045 Ryan: immediate, like father, father-son 999 00:45:22,065 --> 00:45:22,648 Ryan: relationship. 1000 00:45:25,285 --> 00:45:26,189 Ryan: So there's that. 1001 00:45:26,660 --> 00:45:28,171 Andy: Well, we see that elsewhere in the gospels 1002 00:45:28,211 --> 00:45:30,543 Andy: when jesus himself is referred to as the 1003 00:45:30,623 --> 00:45:31,285 Andy: son of David 1004 00:45:31,345 --> 00:45:33,571 Ryan: right, of course he's not the immediate one. 1005 00:45:33,631 --> 00:45:36,044 Ryan: So there's that dynamic. 1006 00:45:36,365 --> 00:45:40,872 Ryan: The other dynamic is is something that, uh, 1007 00:45:41,213 --> 00:45:43,623 Ryan: I have a hunch in regards to why there's a 1008 00:45:43,984 --> 00:45:45,767 Ryan: difference, and it does have to do with 1009 00:45:45,808 --> 00:45:47,832 Ryan: this Jeconiah curse that. 1010 00:45:47,932 --> 00:45:52,860 Ryan: I referenced and it's too long to get into. 1011 00:45:54,002 --> 00:45:56,467 Ryan: So let's just say that this could be good 1012 00:45:56,548 --> 00:45:59,554 Ryan: fodder for a future discussion. 1013 00:46:02,721 --> 00:46:06,090 Ryan: What's interesting is here's the key to 1014 00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:07,393 Ryan: understanding the Jeconiah curse. 1015 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:09,702 Ryan: Interesting is, here's the key to to 1016 00:46:09,722 --> 00:46:10,704 Ryan: understanding the jechaniah curse. 1017 00:46:10,724 --> 00:46:12,127 Ryan: The jechaniah curse is that no son of 1018 00:46:12,167 --> 00:46:14,392 Ryan: jechaniah was going to be ruling and 1019 00:46:14,472 --> 00:46:17,619 Ryan: reigning on the throne, and it's at the 1020 00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:20,383 Ryan: point of jechaniah in luke's genealogy 1021 00:46:20,984 --> 00:46:23,347 Ryan: where there is a diversion. 1022 00:46:24,027 --> 00:46:28,513 Ryan: But both matthew note Zerubbabel. 1023 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,587 Ryan: So something happens in that there seems to 1024 00:46:35,627 --> 00:46:38,513 Ryan: be some sort of diversion at that point 1025 00:46:38,921 --> 00:46:42,593 Ryan: which takes us from, rather from the kingly 1026 00:46:42,653 --> 00:46:46,123 Ryan: lineage that we find in Matthew, through a 1027 00:46:46,323 --> 00:46:48,669 Ryan: different lineage that still brings us back 1028 00:46:48,709 --> 00:46:50,833 Ryan: to David, but through his son, nathan. 1029 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:56,534 Ryan: And so my theory is Luke is tracing a 1030 00:46:57,858 --> 00:47:01,490 Ryan: genealogy that bypasses the Jeconiah curse 1031 00:47:02,321 --> 00:47:03,926 Ryan: and it might have to do with a Leverite 1032 00:47:03,946 --> 00:47:06,263 Ryan: marriage or something like that, where 1033 00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:09,601 Ryan: there's an inheritance but there's a 1034 00:47:09,661 --> 00:47:11,464 Ryan: physical uh, 1035 00:47:12,226 --> 00:47:14,330 Andy: Where does Zeruabel show up on the scenes 1036 00:47:14,370 --> 00:47:14,751 Andy: of history? 1037 00:47:15,492 --> 00:47:16,073 Ryan: He's in. 1038 00:47:16,174 --> 00:47:19,588 Ryan: Well, right around 538 bc 1039 00:47:19,869 --> 00:47:21,052 Andy: is the return of the exile 1040 00:47:21,172 --> 00:47:21,874 Ryan: Right, right. 1041 00:47:21,894 --> 00:47:24,440 Ryan: So 538 bc is, I mean, Zerubbabel is already 1042 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:29,048 Ryan: grown at that point, but he is um, you know 1043 00:47:29,088 --> 00:47:30,530 Ryan: he, he's the return of the exile. 1044 00:47:30,550 --> 00:47:31,632 Ryan: The book of Ezra, beginning of the book of 1045 00:47:31,732 --> 00:47:36,121 Ryan: Ezra, that's where we find Zerubbabel, so 1046 00:47:36,522 --> 00:47:39,669 Ryan: interesting things to, and they're related 1047 00:47:39,689 --> 00:47:41,252 Ryan: to what we're talking about, the seed 1048 00:47:41,293 --> 00:47:41,593 Ryan: promise. 1049 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,344 Ryan: So, anyways, we're at the you know, the 1050 00:47:45,364 --> 00:47:46,045 Ryan: gospel account. 1051 00:47:46,065 --> 00:47:47,247 Ryan: So Jesus is the fulfillment at the gospel 1052 00:47:47,287 --> 00:47:47,627 Ryan: account. 1053 00:47:47,707 --> 00:47:50,912 Ryan: So Jesus is the fulfillment of the seed 1054 00:47:50,952 --> 00:47:53,595 Ryan: promise, and that is what we again look at. 1055 00:48:06,580 --> 00:48:07,564 Ryan: There are outworkings in regards to the 1056 00:48:07,584 --> 00:48:08,507 Ryan: seed promise, in regards to the many that 1057 00:48:08,547 --> 00:48:09,511 Ryan: we would say Israel as a nation is related 1058 00:48:09,551 --> 00:48:10,474 Ryan: and part of the seed promise, because they 1059 00:48:10,494 --> 00:48:11,317 Ryan: are the many, the seed of Abraham, the 1060 00:48:11,337 --> 00:48:13,766 Ryan: ethnic nation that comes from Abraham that 1061 00:48:13,866 --> 00:48:15,551 Ryan: God said he would make a mighty nation of. 1062 00:48:16,454 --> 00:48:19,742 Ryan: But we also have the spiritual offspring of 1063 00:48:20,262 --> 00:48:23,486 Ryan: Abraham, which is most important, and that 1064 00:48:23,526 --> 00:48:26,309 Ryan: really was the debate that Jesus had in 1065 00:48:26,329 --> 00:48:30,154 Ryan: John, chapter 8, was yes, I know you're 1066 00:48:30,254 --> 00:48:32,436 Ryan: Abraham's children, but you seek to kill me. 1067 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,966 Ryan: You're of your father, the devil. 1068 00:48:35,201 --> 00:48:38,991 Ryan: So we need to have faith, like Abraham had. 1069 00:48:40,381 --> 00:48:43,526 Ryan: And let's turn to Galatians, chapter 3, and 1070 00:48:43,546 --> 00:48:46,951 Ryan: we'll see how we, whether we're Jew or 1071 00:48:47,011 --> 00:48:49,795 Ryan: Gentile, how we are related to this seed 1072 00:48:49,835 --> 00:48:50,216 Ryan: promise. 1073 00:48:52,041 --> 00:48:56,792 Ryan: So in Galatians, chapter 3, really the 1074 00:48:56,832 --> 00:49:05,187 Ryan: context here Paul is stressing who are the 1075 00:49:05,287 --> 00:49:08,870 Ryan: heirs of the promises given to Abraham and 1076 00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:11,873 Ryan: how do you receive this inheritance of the 1077 00:49:11,913 --> 00:49:14,496 Ryan: promises given to Abraham, which are, which 1078 00:49:14,536 --> 00:49:18,025 Ryan: is salvation, which is being blessed by the 1079 00:49:18,205 --> 00:49:20,678 Ryan: sovereign Lord, and being heirs of the land, 1080 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:29,701 Ryan: which is the place of heaven, which will be 1081 00:49:29,741 --> 00:49:31,747 Ryan: inherited by Abraham and his offspring. 1082 00:49:32,555 --> 00:49:36,124 Ryan: So in chapter 3, first off, those who truly 1083 00:49:36,164 --> 00:49:37,448 Ryan: are the sons of Abraham. 1084 00:49:38,136 --> 00:49:41,326 Ryan: We see in verse 7 of chapter 3, paul says 1085 00:49:41,515 --> 00:49:44,062 Ryan: know that it is those of faith who are the 1086 00:49:44,122 --> 00:49:44,925 Ryan: sons of Abraham. 1087 00:49:44,945 --> 00:49:46,337 Ryan: And the scripture, foreseeing that God 1088 00:49:46,357 --> 00:49:48,462 Ryan: would justify the Gentiles by faith, 1089 00:49:49,163 --> 00:49:51,408 Ryan: preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, 1090 00:49:51,475 --> 00:49:53,482 Ryan: saying in you shall all the nations be 1091 00:49:53,522 --> 00:49:53,964 Ryan: blessed. 1092 00:49:54,887 --> 00:49:57,014 Ryan: So then, those who are of faith are blessed 1093 00:49:57,054 --> 00:49:58,657 Ryan: along with Abraham, the man of faith. 1094 00:49:59,438 --> 00:50:01,080 Ryan: So, who are truly the sons of Abraham? 1095 00:50:01,100 --> 00:50:04,945 Ryan: Well, first off, individually, the son of 1096 00:50:05,005 --> 00:50:07,689 Ryan: Abraham is Jesus, and that's what we saw in 1097 00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:08,910 Ryan: Matthew, chapter 1. 1098 00:50:14,161 --> 00:50:15,648 Ryan: So he is the seed of Abraham. 1099 00:50:22,875 --> 00:50:23,778 Ryan: And later on, in chapter 3, paul says in 1100 00:50:23,799 --> 00:50:24,802 Ryan: verse 16, he says now, the promises were 1101 00:50:24,822 --> 00:50:25,565 Ryan: made to Abraham and to his offspring. 1102 00:50:25,585 --> 00:50:26,649 Ryan: It does not say to offsprings, referring to 1103 00:50:26,709 --> 00:50:28,295 Ryan: many, but referring to one in your 1104 00:50:28,355 --> 00:50:29,819 Ryan: offspring who is Christ. 1105 00:50:30,500 --> 00:50:33,327 Ryan: So Paul notes that the one. 1106 00:50:34,489 --> 00:50:36,775 Ryan: Paul isn't saying that there isn't a many 1107 00:50:37,216 --> 00:50:39,021 Ryan: dynamic to the offspring of Abraham, 1108 00:50:39,041 --> 00:50:40,044 Ryan: because we're actually going to see that 1109 00:50:40,084 --> 00:50:41,007 Ryan: later on in the text. 1110 00:50:41,475 --> 00:50:43,881 Ryan: And, furthermore, we would understand that 1111 00:50:44,001 --> 00:50:47,616 Ryan: even within the Genesis text when, in 1112 00:50:47,737 --> 00:50:50,184 Ryan: chapter 15, when God takes Abraham out of 1113 00:50:50,204 --> 00:50:51,778 Ryan: the tent and says look at the sky, look at 1114 00:50:51,798 --> 00:50:52,320 Ryan: the stars. 1115 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,544 Ryan: So will your seed be. 1116 00:50:54,115 --> 00:50:56,195 Ryan: There wasn't just one star in the sky, it 1117 00:50:56,236 --> 00:50:59,245 Ryan: was saying that there were many are going 1118 00:50:59,265 --> 00:50:59,566 Ryan: to come. 1119 00:51:00,555 --> 00:51:05,765 Ryan: But the ultimate aspect of this and Paul is 1120 00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:08,478 Ryan: stressing the grammar here, showing that he 1121 00:51:08,498 --> 00:51:10,895 Ryan: didn't say offsprings, it was offspring, it 1122 00:51:10,915 --> 00:51:13,742 Ryan: was singular, collective singular depending 1123 00:51:13,802 --> 00:51:16,088 Ryan: on context it was Christ. 1124 00:51:16,155 --> 00:51:21,026 Ryan: So Christ is the seed, the ultimate heir of 1125 00:51:21,066 --> 00:51:21,768 Ryan: the seed promise. 1126 00:51:23,675 --> 00:51:27,764 Ryan: Now go down to verse 28 and 29. 1127 00:51:27,804 --> 00:51:29,508 Ryan: This is one of the most important passages 1128 00:51:29,548 --> 00:51:31,999 Ryan: in the Bible because it shows how, whether 1129 00:51:32,019 --> 00:51:33,724 Ryan: you're Jew or Gentile, it doesn't matter 1130 00:51:33,784 --> 00:51:36,138 Ryan: where you're from or what has come about. 1131 00:51:36,859 --> 00:51:39,644 Ryan: If you're in Christ, if you're in the seed 1132 00:51:40,446 --> 00:51:42,209 Ryan: of Abraham, in the seed of the woman, in 1133 00:51:42,229 --> 00:51:45,284 Ryan: the seed of David, that's Jesus, you are an 1134 00:51:45,425 --> 00:51:45,645 Ryan: heir. 1135 00:51:47,976 --> 00:51:50,396 Andy: There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is 1136 00:51:50,416 --> 00:51:51,541 Andy: neither slave nor free. 1137 00:51:51,655 --> 00:51:54,637 Andy: There is no male and female, for you are 1138 00:51:54,758 --> 00:51:56,697 Andy: all one in Christ Jesus, and if you are 1139 00:51:56,977 --> 00:51:59,284 Andy: Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring 1140 00:51:59,304 --> 00:52:00,567 Andy: heirs, according to promise. 1141 00:52:01,397 --> 00:52:02,040 Ryan: So there we have it. 1142 00:52:02,215 --> 00:52:05,225 Ryan: I mean, it's plain as day right there. 1143 00:52:08,795 --> 00:52:11,177 Ryan: Jesus is the seed and if we're going to be 1144 00:52:11,218 --> 00:52:13,144 Ryan: counted as Abraham's offspring in the many 1145 00:52:13,204 --> 00:52:16,043 Ryan: sense, in the sense of being an heir of the 1146 00:52:16,103 --> 00:52:19,462 Ryan: promise of blessing, of inheriting the land, 1147 00:52:21,236 --> 00:52:27,338 Ryan: that is Christ's purpose and this is the 1148 00:52:27,418 --> 00:52:31,998 Ryan: radical thing here in Galatians is that 1149 00:52:32,779 --> 00:52:36,909 Ryan: Gentiles, through faith in Christ Jesus, 1150 00:52:37,015 --> 00:52:38,632 Ryan: become heirs of the promises given to 1151 00:52:38,693 --> 00:52:38,915 Ryan: Abraham. 1152 00:52:39,260 --> 00:52:41,919 Ryan: This was a scandal in the first century 1153 00:52:42,681 --> 00:52:46,050 Ryan: because there was always a thought and 1154 00:52:46,251 --> 00:52:48,256 Ryan: proclamations in the Old Testament, and a 1155 00:52:48,356 --> 00:52:51,285 Ryan: thought in regards to the rabbinical 1156 00:52:51,445 --> 00:52:54,794 Ryan: budding of Judaism was that well, gentiles 1157 00:52:54,814 --> 00:52:56,138 Ryan: are going to be a part of the kingdom to 1158 00:52:56,158 --> 00:52:57,020 Ryan: come, but they're not heirs. 1159 00:52:57,822 --> 00:52:59,506 Ryan: They're not heirs of the promises given to 1160 00:52:59,587 --> 00:52:59,907 Ryan: Abraham. 1161 00:52:59,995 --> 00:53:02,622 Ryan: They're going to be perhaps part of this in 1162 00:53:02,722 --> 00:53:06,282 Ryan: some tangential manner, but not heirs. 1163 00:53:07,035 --> 00:53:09,865 Ryan: And here we have full-standing citizens and 1164 00:53:09,985 --> 00:53:14,824 Ryan: heirs of the coming kingdom that is being 1165 00:53:14,844 --> 00:53:18,098 Ryan: given to Gentiles, and it doesn't matter 1166 00:53:18,138 --> 00:53:19,758 Ryan: whether you're Jew or Greek, slave or free 1167 00:53:19,818 --> 00:53:20,401 Ryan: male or female. 1168 00:53:20,736 --> 00:53:21,278 Ryan: So that speaks. 1169 00:53:21,378 --> 00:53:23,757 Ryan: Nationality is not an issue, economic 1170 00:53:23,817 --> 00:53:26,078 Ryan: status isn't an issue and whether you're 1171 00:53:26,098 --> 00:53:27,824 Ryan: male or female is not an issue. 1172 00:53:29,036 --> 00:53:30,858 Ryan: If you are a believer in Christ, if you're 1173 00:53:31,099 --> 00:53:36,768 Ryan: in Christ, then you are Abraham's seed. 1174 00:53:36,788 --> 00:53:46,348 Ryan: You are Abraham's seed, and it's sperma 1175 00:53:46,428 --> 00:53:48,876 Ryan: here, which is the Greek form of Zerah, and 1176 00:53:48,976 --> 00:53:53,019 Ryan: you're heirs according to the promise. 1177 00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,723 Ryan: So this is one of the most important texts 1178 00:53:56,843 --> 00:53:58,845 Ryan: in regards to the seed promise, galatians, 1179 00:53:58,885 --> 00:53:59,485 Ryan: chapter 3. 1180 00:53:59,525 --> 00:54:03,949 Ryan: This really is one that explains the Bible 1181 00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:07,212 Ryan: and shows how we're part of history. 1182 00:54:14,475 --> 00:54:15,977 Ryan: We who believe in Christ, who confess him 1183 00:54:15,997 --> 00:54:17,078 Ryan: as Lord and have the power of the Holy 1184 00:54:17,098 --> 00:54:17,999 Ryan: Spirit dwelling in us. 1185 00:54:18,020 --> 00:54:19,561 Ryan: We are fulfillments of biblical prophecy. 1186 00:54:19,582 --> 00:54:20,463 Ryan: We are fulfillments of biblical prophecy. 1187 00:54:20,483 --> 00:54:21,824 Ryan: We are those that are blessed among the 1188 00:54:21,884 --> 00:54:24,668 Ryan: nations and we have faith, like Abraham. 1189 00:54:24,808 --> 00:54:26,270 Ryan: Abraham heard the words of Christ and 1190 00:54:26,310 --> 00:54:26,811 Ryan: believed. 1191 00:54:31,995 --> 00:54:32,938 Ryan: We hear the words of Christ and believe, 1192 00:54:32,998 --> 00:54:33,982 Ryan: and, even though we may not be physically 1193 00:54:34,002 --> 00:54:34,905 Ryan: descended from Abraham, we are in Christ, 1194 00:54:34,925 --> 00:54:35,969 Ryan: who is the heir, who was physically 1195 00:54:36,029 --> 00:54:38,337 Ryan: descended from Abraham, and furthermore, we 1196 00:54:38,357 --> 00:54:41,224 Ryan: have all the spiritual benefits of Christ 1197 00:54:41,666 --> 00:54:42,247 Ryan: through faith. 1198 00:54:42,755 --> 00:54:44,463 Ryan: And that's what Galatians 3 is all about. 1199 00:54:44,916 --> 00:54:47,736 Ryan: It's not nationality that matters, it's 1200 00:54:47,957 --> 00:54:49,162 Ryan: faith that matters. 1201 00:54:49,435 --> 00:54:54,003 Ryan: Jew or Gentile, if you are in Christ, if 1202 00:54:54,023 --> 00:54:55,873 Ryan: you are chosen in him before the foundation 1203 00:54:55,893 --> 00:54:56,898 Ryan: of the world, if you are placed in him, if 1204 00:54:56,918 --> 00:54:57,763 Ryan: you, you know, again, repented of your sins 1205 00:54:57,783 --> 00:54:58,648 Ryan: and believe in him before the foundation of 1206 00:54:58,668 --> 00:54:59,653 Ryan: the world, if you are placed in him, if you, 1207 00:54:59,693 --> 00:55:01,978 Ryan: you know, again repented of your sins and 1208 00:55:02,018 --> 00:55:02,760 Ryan: believe in him. 1209 00:55:03,181 --> 00:55:06,527 Ryan: These are things that demonstrate us as 1210 00:55:06,627 --> 00:55:08,697 Ryan: being heirs of the promises given to 1211 00:55:08,757 --> 00:55:10,421 Ryan: Abraham, and this connects us to the whole 1212 00:55:10,461 --> 00:55:10,762 Ryan: Bible. 1213 00:55:11,784 --> 00:55:14,556 Ryan: It shows how what God was doing and 1214 00:55:14,637 --> 00:55:16,601 Ryan: promising and doing through Abraham isn't 1215 00:55:16,681 --> 00:55:17,763 Ryan: disconnected from us. 1216 00:55:18,144 --> 00:55:21,777 Ryan: It's very much related to who we are right 1217 00:55:21,837 --> 00:55:22,618 Ryan: now in Christ. 1218 00:55:24,020 --> 00:55:30,809 Ryan: So the next portion that we can explore in 1219 00:55:30,850 --> 00:55:32,697 Ryan: regards to this and we kind of get from 1220 00:55:33,218 --> 00:55:35,502 Ryan: again a thumbnail sketch from Genesis to 1221 00:55:35,542 --> 00:55:39,409 Ryan: Revelation is in Revelation, chapter 12. 1222 00:55:42,696 --> 00:55:45,079 Ryan: Revelation, chapter 12 and 13,. 1223 00:55:46,842 --> 00:55:51,148 Ryan: In particular chapter 12, though, is about 1224 00:55:51,529 --> 00:55:55,676 Ryan: this seed war, and having this 1225 00:55:56,337 --> 00:56:00,683 Ryan: understanding in the backdrop helps us 1226 00:56:00,763 --> 00:56:03,967 Ryan: understand how the seed war has progressed 1227 00:56:03,987 --> 00:56:06,150 Ryan: throughout history and how it still is 1228 00:56:06,190 --> 00:56:08,455 Ryan: going on Now. 1229 00:56:08,495 --> 00:56:10,698 Ryan: I'm a futurist in regards to the book of 1230 00:56:10,738 --> 00:56:14,884 Ryan: Revelation, so I don't think, at least from 1231 00:56:16,966 --> 00:56:19,510 Ryan: chapter 12, verse 6 on, I don't think these 1232 00:56:19,550 --> 00:56:24,524 Ryan: things have happened yet, but we'll address 1233 00:56:24,564 --> 00:56:25,166 Ryan: that as we go. 1234 00:56:25,916 --> 00:56:29,895 Ryan: Now let's read the first part of chapter 12, 1235 00:56:30,075 --> 00:56:32,803 Ryan: and we can see how this is related to the 1236 00:56:32,823 --> 00:56:33,344 Ryan: seed promise. 1237 00:56:33,364 --> 00:56:34,167 Ryan: Do you want to go ahead and read? 1238 00:56:35,218 --> 00:56:38,102 Ryan: Just write out one, read one through five, 1239 00:56:38,122 --> 00:56:38,764 Ryan: okay. 1240 00:56:40,956 --> 00:56:43,560 Andy: Revelation 12:1, and a great sign appeared 1241 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:45,600 Andy: in heaven a woman clothed with the sun, 1242 00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:47,898 Andy: with the moon under her feet and on her 1243 00:56:47,978 --> 00:56:49,644 Andy: head a crown of twelve stars. 1244 00:56:50,596 --> 00:56:52,703 Andy: She was pregnant and was crying out in 1245 00:56:52,763 --> 00:56:55,702 Andy: birth pains, in agony of giving birth. 1246 00:56:56,516 --> 00:56:58,437 Andy: And another sign appeared in heaven Behold 1247 00:56:58,477 --> 00:57:00,857 Andy: the great red dragon with seven heads and 1248 00:57:00,877 --> 00:57:03,787 Andy: ten horns and on his heads seven diadems. 1249 00:57:04,449 --> 00:57:06,415 Andy: His tail swept down a third of the stars of 1250 00:57:06,455 --> 00:57:09,282 Andy: heaven and cast them to the earth, and the 1251 00:57:09,302 --> 00:57:11,227 Andy: dragon stood before the woman who was about 1252 00:57:11,267 --> 00:57:13,560 Andy: to give birth so that when she bore her 1253 00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:15,424 Andy: child, he might devour it. 1254 00:57:16,205 --> 00:57:19,419 Andy: She gave birth to a male child, one who is 1255 00:57:19,459 --> 00:57:21,666 Andy: to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, 1256 00:57:22,155 --> 00:57:24,583 Andy: but her child was caught up to God and to 1257 00:57:24,623 --> 00:57:25,125 Andy: his throne. 1258 00:57:25,935 --> 00:57:26,558 Ryan: Okay, so. 1259 00:57:28,325 --> 00:57:30,595 Ryan: interesting to note the language used here. 1260 00:57:30,675 --> 00:57:35,347 Ryan: Now, in the flow of Revelation from chapter 1261 00:57:36,816 --> 00:57:40,665 Ryan: the end of chapter 11, we have the trumpet, 1262 00:57:40,885 --> 00:57:43,256 Ryan: the seventh trumpet, sounding, and this is 1263 00:57:43,296 --> 00:57:44,701 Ryan: the kingdom of God has become the kingdom 1264 00:57:44,781 --> 00:57:46,456 Ryan: of, or the kingdom of this world has become 1265 00:57:46,476 --> 00:57:48,362 Ryan: the kingdom of God and of his Christ and he 1266 00:57:48,383 --> 00:57:51,353 Ryan: will reign forever, and so there is a 1267 00:57:51,433 --> 00:57:54,700 Ryan: transfer of power here and what I think 1268 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,425 Ryan: chapters 12 through 14 is an interlude that 1269 00:57:57,465 --> 00:58:01,237 Ryan: speaks of this great seed war, and one 1270 00:58:01,277 --> 00:58:03,121 Ryan: through five is a recap. 1271 00:58:03,962 --> 00:58:06,007 Ryan: You have the woman first, you have the 1272 00:58:06,067 --> 00:58:07,576 Ryan: language, woman, which is interesting to 1273 00:58:07,736 --> 00:58:12,124 Ryan: use, woman and that's imagery stretches us 1274 00:58:12,184 --> 00:58:16,276 Ryan: back to genesis 3 15, but she's clothed 1275 00:58:16,316 --> 00:58:18,362 Ryan: with the sun and the moon under her feet 1276 00:58:18,402 --> 00:58:20,187 Ryan: and on her head a crown of 12 stars. 1277 00:58:21,215 --> 00:58:24,365 Ryan: So this is an allusion back to Joseph's 1278 00:58:24,445 --> 00:58:29,347 Ryan: dream in regards to Israel and the 12 sons. 1279 00:58:33,944 --> 00:58:38,054 Ryan: So woman, as well as the sun and moon and 1280 00:58:38,074 --> 00:58:40,883 Ryan: 12 stars, speaks of the seed promise, I 1281 00:58:40,943 --> 00:58:43,160 Ryan: think, stretching us again the language, 1282 00:58:43,180 --> 00:58:46,297 Ryan: stretching us back to Genesis 3.15, but it 1283 00:58:46,357 --> 00:58:48,924 Ryan: advancing to the point of Israel being the 1284 00:58:48,984 --> 00:58:50,227 Ryan: carrier of this promise. 1285 00:58:51,115 --> 00:58:54,125 Ryan: So the nation of Israel really was the one 1286 00:58:54,436 --> 00:59:00,328 Ryan: that ultimately gave birth to the son. 1287 00:59:00,595 --> 00:59:01,781 Ryan: That was what was promised. 1288 00:59:02,695 --> 00:59:05,997 Ryan: And so you have this seed war going on and 1289 00:59:06,257 --> 00:59:08,425 Ryan: notice here the dragon, who is the serpent 1290 00:59:08,876 --> 00:59:11,896 Ryan: we'll read that later in chapter 12, wants 1291 00:59:11,996 --> 00:59:16,047 Ryan: to devour the child. 1292 00:59:17,136 --> 00:59:21,527 Ryan: This stretches back to Genesis 3, verse 15. 1293 00:59:21,655 --> 00:59:24,657 Ryan: There is a son coming and, interestingly, 1294 00:59:24,757 --> 00:59:29,008 Ryan: in verse 5, the ESV here doesn't. 1295 00:59:30,075 --> 00:59:32,281 Ryan: There's actually a double stressing here 1296 00:59:32,361 --> 00:59:34,527 Ryan: that the ESV decided to forego. 1297 00:59:35,516 --> 00:59:38,767 Ryan: But it says the Greek more literally is she 1298 00:59:38,807 --> 00:59:41,736 Ryan: gave birth to a son, a male child, one who 1299 00:59:41,756 --> 00:59:42,718 Ryan: was to rule the nations. 1300 00:59:43,741 --> 00:59:46,026 Ryan: Now I actually like having the double 1301 00:59:46,066 --> 00:59:49,739 Ryan: stressing in there, because of course a son 1302 00:59:49,779 --> 00:59:50,361 Ryan: is a male child. 1303 00:59:50,421 --> 00:59:53,828 Ryan: You know, a male child is a son, but a male 1304 00:59:53,888 --> 00:59:54,409 Ryan: child. 1305 00:59:54,755 --> 00:59:56,337 Ryan: The reason why that, I think, is doubly 1306 00:59:56,377 --> 00:59:57,438 Ryan: stressed when you have the male child 1307 00:59:57,458 --> 00:59:58,360 Ryan: stressed, the reason why that, I think, is 1308 00:59:58,380 --> 00:59:59,281 Ryan: doubly stressed when you have the male 1309 00:59:59,301 --> 01:00:00,542 Ryan: child stressed, is it's an allusion back to 1310 01:00:00,602 --> 01:00:01,584 Ryan: Genesis 3.15. 1311 01:00:01,684 --> 01:00:03,947 Ryan: What was the one clue we had? 1312 01:00:04,307 --> 01:00:05,789 Ryan: Who was going to crush the serpent's head? 1313 01:00:06,250 --> 01:00:07,211 Ryan: It's a singular male. 1314 01:00:11,482 --> 01:00:13,813 Ryan: A male child was going to crush a he. 1315 01:00:22,415 --> 01:00:23,822 Ryan: So then we see that again, the serpent is 1316 01:00:23,842 --> 01:00:25,550 Ryan: looking to devour, but the child was caught 1317 01:00:25,571 --> 01:00:31,396 Ryan: up to God and to his throne, so he is the 1318 01:00:31,416 --> 01:00:32,538 Ryan: one who is to rule the nations with a rod 1319 01:00:32,558 --> 01:00:35,383 Ryan: of iron, and so ultimately, he fails in 1320 01:00:36,324 --> 01:00:39,950 Ryan: devouring the male child. 1321 01:00:41,656 --> 01:00:43,423 Ryan: And then we get to verse 6. 1322 01:00:44,655 --> 01:00:51,980 Ryan: And verse 6 is something that the woman we 1323 01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:52,162 Ryan: see. 1324 01:00:52,202 --> 01:00:54,056 Ryan: The woman fled into the wilderness, where 1325 01:00:54,076 --> 01:00:55,835 Ryan: she had a place prepared for by God in 1326 01:00:55,855 --> 01:00:57,903 Ryan: which she is to be nourished for 1260 days. 1327 01:00:58,735 --> 01:01:02,039 Ryan: So here we get into, based on the context 1328 01:01:02,219 --> 01:01:04,906 Ryan: and the language of 1260 days, we get into 1329 01:01:05,909 --> 01:01:08,876 Ryan: the happenings of this time period of 1330 01:01:08,936 --> 01:01:11,100 Ryan: Daniel, the last half of Daniel's 70th week. 1331 01:01:11,981 --> 01:01:17,350 Ryan: So we see that this woman flees into the 1332 01:01:17,415 --> 01:01:21,795 Ryan: wilderness and we read on in chapter 12 1333 01:01:21,875 --> 01:01:24,084 Ryan: that the serpent wants to destroy the woman 1334 01:01:25,036 --> 01:01:25,217 Ryan: Again. 1335 01:01:25,257 --> 01:01:27,785 Ryan: This is that seed war, amnity between the 1336 01:01:27,845 --> 01:01:29,880 Ryan: woman and the serpent and between his seed 1337 01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:30,563 Ryan: and her seed. 1338 01:01:31,855 --> 01:01:36,699 Ryan: Now the serpent or the dragon ultimately 1339 01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,105 Ryan: can't get to the woman here she's preserved. 1340 01:01:38,126 --> 01:01:39,391 Ryan: The serpent or the dragon ultimately can't 1341 01:01:39,451 --> 01:01:41,218 Ryan: get to the woman here she's preserved. 1342 01:01:41,278 --> 01:01:43,583 Ryan: And interestingly, then we get to the end 1343 01:01:43,603 --> 01:01:45,268 Ryan: of chapter 12 in verse 17. 1344 01:01:49,835 --> 01:01:50,959 Ryan: And if you want to read verse 17, we see 1345 01:01:50,979 --> 01:01:51,641 Ryan: the seed promise brought up. 1346 01:01:51,661 --> 01:01:53,287 Ryan: We have the seed promise and the seed war 1347 01:01:53,387 --> 01:01:55,456 Ryan: stressed here in language, but now it 1348 01:01:55,536 --> 01:02:00,745 Ryan: really unfolds and is explicit when we get 1349 01:02:00,805 --> 01:02:03,430 Ryan: to chapter 12, verse 17 1350 01:02:04,519 --> 01:02:06,646 Andy: Then the dragon became furious with the 1351 01:02:06,686 --> 01:02:08,753 Andy: woman and went off to make war on the rest 1352 01:02:08,793 --> 01:02:11,140 Andy: of her offspring, on those who keep the 1353 01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:12,584 Andy: commandments of god and hold to the 1354 01:02:12,624 --> 01:02:13,587 Andy: testimony of Jesus. 1355 01:02:13,587 --> 01:02:15,679 Andy: And he stood on the sand of the sea 1356 01:02:16,821 --> 01:02:19,507 Ryan: So we, we have the word seed here, the rest 1357 01:02:19,667 --> 01:02:20,489 Ryan: of her seed. 1358 01:02:21,435 --> 01:02:26,865 Ryan: So all three expressions of the seed 1359 01:02:26,925 --> 01:02:29,229 Ryan: promise, I think, are seen here. 1360 01:02:29,355 --> 01:02:34,547 Ryan: You have the one, the male child, who is 1361 01:02:34,607 --> 01:02:38,343 Ryan: Christ, and the serpent can't get to him. 1362 01:02:38,363 --> 01:02:38,804 Ryan: He fails. 1363 01:02:38,844 --> 01:02:40,939 Ryan: He's caught up to God, he's the one that's 1364 01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:42,004 Ryan: going to rule the nations. 1365 01:02:43,236 --> 01:02:47,626 Ryan: Then you have the woman here who, based on 1366 01:02:47,646 --> 01:02:50,080 Ryan: the language, speaks of the ethnic 1367 01:02:50,180 --> 01:02:51,865 Ryan: offspring of Abraham, isaac and Jacob, 1368 01:02:52,315 --> 01:02:53,441 Ryan: based on the language, at the beginning. 1369 01:02:53,655 --> 01:02:56,981 Ryan: And there is a remnant here, and again I 1370 01:02:57,081 --> 01:03:00,327 Ryan: think this has to do with the happenings at 1371 01:03:00,347 --> 01:03:02,336 Ryan: the midpoint of the 70th week, where 1372 01:03:02,817 --> 01:03:05,202 Ryan: there's a group that flees out of Jerusalem 1373 01:03:05,483 --> 01:03:08,088 Ryan: that the serpent can't ultimately destroy, 1374 01:03:09,956 --> 01:03:14,044 Ryan: and because he's not able to do that, he's 1375 01:03:14,124 --> 01:03:15,787 Ryan: furious and goes off to make war with the 1376 01:03:15,888 --> 01:03:16,929 Ryan: rest of her offspring. 1377 01:03:17,555 --> 01:03:19,970 Ryan: And the description is those who hold to 1378 01:03:19,990 --> 01:03:21,478 Ryan: the testimony of Jesus and keep the 1379 01:03:21,518 --> 01:03:22,161 Ryan: commands of God. 1380 01:03:22,895 --> 01:03:28,843 Ryan: This would be the church and again, the 1381 01:03:28,884 --> 01:03:30,691 Ryan: rest of her offspring would be connected, 1382 01:03:30,731 --> 01:03:31,595 Ryan: even though it's a different author, 1383 01:03:31,695 --> 01:03:33,621 Ryan: connected to the concepts that we found in 1384 01:03:33,661 --> 01:03:34,684 Ryan: Galatians 3. 1385 01:03:36,796 --> 01:03:38,543 Ryan: Those who keep the testimony of Jesus. 1386 01:03:39,137 --> 01:03:41,313 Ryan: And then we have verse chapter 13, which is 1387 01:03:41,354 --> 01:03:44,487 Ryan: about how he goes to war against those who 1388 01:03:44,527 --> 01:03:46,093 Ryan: keep the commandments of God and hold to 1389 01:03:46,133 --> 01:03:47,196 Ryan: the testimony of Jesus. 1390 01:03:48,157 --> 01:03:53,284 Ryan: So this seed promise dynamic, we see the 1391 01:03:53,344 --> 01:03:56,309 Ryan: seed promise continuing. 1392 01:03:56,609 --> 01:03:58,801 Ryan: Ultimately, who is the one that conquers? 1393 01:03:59,244 --> 01:04:01,516 Ryan: Christ conquers and he ultimately is going 1394 01:04:01,616 --> 01:04:02,919 Ryan: to raise his people. 1395 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,564 Ryan: He ultimately is going to redeem Israel. 1396 01:04:06,245 --> 01:04:09,099 Ryan: And so this seed promise is something that 1397 01:04:09,199 --> 01:04:11,168 Ryan: has its fulfillment already in the coming 1398 01:04:11,188 --> 01:04:11,710 Ryan: of Christ. 1399 01:04:12,192 --> 01:04:14,338 Ryan: It has its fulfillment already in the 1400 01:04:15,340 --> 01:04:18,566 Ryan: existence of Israel, the existence of the 1401 01:04:18,646 --> 01:04:23,757 Ryan: church, and it's going to have its ultimate 1402 01:04:23,777 --> 01:04:24,800 Ryan: fulfillment as well when the Lord raises 1403 01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:27,316 Ryan: his people, when we rule with him and when 1404 01:04:27,356 --> 01:04:31,079 Ryan: he purifies Israel as a nation and they are 1405 01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:32,244 Ryan: made clean. 1406 01:04:33,016 --> 01:04:34,501 Ryan: And that's the things that we find in the 1407 01:04:34,521 --> 01:04:35,144 Ryan: book of Revelation. 1408 01:04:35,435 --> 01:04:38,325 Ryan: The serpent will not win, the serpent can't 1409 01:04:38,345 --> 01:04:42,836 Ryan: win All of these things that Christ, that 1410 01:04:42,897 --> 01:04:44,844 Ryan: God brings about through bringing Christ 1411 01:04:44,955 --> 01:04:48,445 Ryan: and Christ purifying Israel and his people, 1412 01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:48,906 Ryan: the church. 1413 01:04:49,595 --> 01:04:52,404 Ryan: These things come about because the serpent 1414 01:04:52,464 --> 01:04:53,066 Ryan: cannot win. 1415 01:04:54,055 --> 01:04:55,621 Ryan: Christ is the one that crushes the 1416 01:04:55,661 --> 01:04:56,223 Ryan: serpent's head. 1417 01:04:56,737 --> 01:05:00,852 Ryan: And just to kind of see how this ties the 1418 01:05:00,892 --> 01:05:05,022 Ryan: whole Bible together, in Revelation 22, the 1419 01:05:05,122 --> 01:05:06,805 Ryan: last mention of the seed promise is in the 1420 01:05:06,845 --> 01:05:11,420 Ryan: last chapter of the Bible, when Jesus says 1421 01:05:11,461 --> 01:05:13,678 Ryan: in verse 16, he says I, jesus, have sent my 1422 01:05:13,839 --> 01:05:15,624 Ryan: angel to testify to you about the things 1423 01:05:15,664 --> 01:05:16,266 Ryan: for the churches. 1424 01:05:16,795 --> 01:05:19,984 Ryan: I am the root and the descendant of David, 1425 01:05:20,145 --> 01:05:20,887 Ryan: the bright morning star. 1426 01:05:21,055 --> 01:05:22,541 Ryan: And the word there for descendant is 1427 01:05:22,642 --> 01:05:23,023 Ryan: offspring. 1428 01:05:23,755 --> 01:05:25,963 Ryan: So the seed promise is referenced by Jesus 1429 01:05:26,024 --> 01:05:27,902 Ryan: here in the very last chapter of the Bible. 1430 01:05:28,996 --> 01:05:31,801 Ryan: I am the descendant of David and again that 1431 01:05:31,821 --> 01:05:33,797 Ryan: goes back to the promises that were given 1432 01:05:33,858 --> 01:05:36,759 Ryan: to the seed of David, which Jesus fulfills. 1433 01:05:37,542 --> 01:05:38,244 Ryan: He is the Messiah. 1434 01:05:38,935 --> 01:05:42,325 Ryan: So that is a short journey through the seed 1435 01:05:42,365 --> 01:05:42,766 Ryan: promise. 1436 01:05:43,216 --> 01:05:44,501 Ryan: I don't know how long that took us. 1437 01:05:45,275 --> 01:05:47,299 Andy: I got an hour and four minutes just coming 1438 01:05:47,340 --> 01:05:48,863 Andy: up since I hit record. 1439 01:05:50,085 --> 01:05:51,328 Ryan: So about an hour, so that works. 1440 01:05:52,615 --> 01:05:53,741 Andy: Incredible timing on that. 1441 01:05:55,335 --> 01:05:59,885 Andy: Oh, I just discovered my iPad Bible has a 1442 01:05:59,925 --> 01:06:01,489 Andy: book after Revelation. 1443 01:06:03,796 --> 01:06:05,299 Andy: It's the tables of weight and measures 1444 01:06:08,344 --> 01:06:08,805 Ryan: Interesting. 1445 01:06:08,865 --> 01:06:09,807 Ryan: The 67th book. 1446 01:06:10,328 --> 01:06:12,740 Andy: Yeah, a bath Like a bath is about six 1447 01:06:12,780 --> 01:06:13,844 Andy: gallons or 22 liters. 1448 01:06:14,715 --> 01:06:17,080 Andy: Sorry, that's a, it's an aside. 1449 01:06:17,335 --> 01:06:19,543 Andy: It's got a bath, a becca, a core, a cubit, 1450 01:06:19,643 --> 01:06:20,225 Andy: a denarius. 1451 01:06:21,117 --> 01:06:23,104 Andy: All those things are actually good to know, 1452 01:06:25,216 --> 01:06:27,262 Andy: but not part of the seed promise. 1453 01:06:27,343 --> 01:06:28,346 Ryan: Not part of the seed promise. 1454 01:06:29,837 --> 01:06:32,899 Andy: Well, thank you, that was interesting, 1455 01:06:34,404 --> 01:06:35,005 Andy: great topic. 1456 01:06:35,215 --> 01:06:38,185 Ryan: Yeah, and again, I hope those that listen 1457 01:06:38,275 --> 01:06:39,240 Ryan: if this is something new. 1458 01:06:40,716 --> 01:06:43,040 Ryan: What's fascinating is this is just a 1459 01:06:43,681 --> 01:06:48,029 Ryan: cursory 20,000 feet looking over Genesis to 1460 01:06:48,069 --> 01:06:48,590 Ryan: Revelation. 1461 01:06:49,476 --> 01:06:52,142 Ryan: There's all sorts of minutia, further 1462 01:06:52,162 --> 01:06:53,866 Ryan: minutia that as you go through the curse of 1463 01:06:53,886 --> 01:06:55,998 Ryan: Jeconiah yeah, that type of stuff is all 1464 01:06:56,018 --> 01:06:56,720 Ryan: throughout the Bible. 1465 01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,224 Ryan: Yeah, that type of stuff is all throughout 1466 01:06:58,244 --> 01:06:58,665 Ryan: the Bible. 1467 01:07:01,955 --> 01:07:02,797 Ryan: And so there really isn't a book or a 1468 01:07:02,817 --> 01:07:04,382 Ryan: chapter that isn't probably in some way 1469 01:07:04,442 --> 01:07:07,759 Ryan: related to the seed promise and what God 1470 01:07:07,799 --> 01:07:11,247 Ryan: has planned and promised and bringing about. 1471 01:07:12,857 --> 01:07:13,881 Andy: Well, I always appreciate that. 1472 01:07:13,995 --> 01:07:16,444 Andy: I mean you can sit down and read your Bible, 1473 01:07:17,375 --> 01:07:19,042 Andy: pick up, read a couple chapters in a day 1474 01:07:19,075 --> 01:07:19,766 Andy: and read verse bible. 1475 01:07:19,703 --> 01:07:19,860 Andy: You know. 1476 01:07:19,796 --> 01:07:20,249 Andy: Pick up, read a couple chapters in a day 1477 01:07:20,186 --> 01:07:20,881 Andy: and and read verse by verse. 1478 01:07:21,361 --> 01:07:23,645 Andy: You know, as most christians will sit down 1479 01:07:23,705 --> 01:07:26,390 Andy: and do, but you don't pick up on those 1480 01:07:26,776 --> 01:07:27,097 Andy: things. 1481 01:07:27,218 --> 01:07:27,479 Andy: You know. 1482 01:07:27,639 --> 01:07:29,887 Andy: When you're in Galatians, it might have 1483 01:07:29,907 --> 01:07:31,673 Andy: been months since you read Genesis 1484 01:07:31,934 --> 01:07:33,577 Ryan: Right and having that, having that big 1485 01:07:33,637 --> 01:07:38,606 Ryan: picture is is is a way to, uh, really at 1486 01:07:38,666 --> 01:07:40,649 Ryan: times further understand the smaller 1487 01:07:40,689 --> 01:07:43,723 Ryan: picture, the more minutia is tied to the 1488 01:07:43,763 --> 01:07:45,861 Ryan: big picture and you can really see and make 1489 01:07:45,901 --> 01:07:47,618 Ryan: sense of the minutia in understanding the 1490 01:07:47,658 --> 01:07:48,100 Ryan: big picture. 1491 01:07:48,401 --> 01:07:48,963 Ryan: You need both. 1492 01:07:49,536 --> 01:07:50,759 Ryan: Both feed off of one another. 1493 01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:53,666 Andy: Right, yeah, cool. 1494 01:07:53,826 --> 01:07:54,267 Andy: Well, thank you. 1495 01:07:54,856 --> 01:07:56,962 Ryan: it was great to be with you and discuss 1496 01:07:56,982 --> 01:07:57,363 Ryan: these things. 1497 01:07:57,423 --> 01:07:59,438 Ryan: Yeah, thanks, for We'll see about the curse 1498 01:07:59,458 --> 01:08:01,884 Ryan: of Jeconiah and whether or not that is on 1499 01:08:01,904 --> 01:08:02,767 Ryan: the agenda for. 1500 01:08:02,855 --> 01:08:04,081 Andy: I'm going to put that on my list. 1501 01:08:05,757 --> 01:08:06,781 Andy: That would be a fun topic. 1502 01:08:07,875 --> 01:08:13,447 Ryan: And that's found in Jeremiah, chapter 29,. 1503 01:08:13,547 --> 01:08:14,369 Ryan: I believe. 1504 01:08:17,402 --> 01:08:18,425 Ryan: Let me confirm that. 1505 01:08:22,058 --> 01:08:25,305 Ryan: But yeah, it's in Jeremiah, because that is 1506 01:08:25,525 --> 01:08:34,386 Ryan: the text and it really is shortly before 1507 01:08:34,406 --> 01:08:35,428 Ryan: the declaration of the. 1508 01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:44,607 Ryan: For the declaration of the oh, I bet you 1509 01:08:44,627 --> 01:08:45,628 Ryan: it's back in 23. 1510 01:08:46,570 --> 01:08:46,950 Ryan: 22. 1511 01:08:48,195 --> 01:08:49,898 Ryan: Jeremiah, 22. 1512 01:08:49,918 --> 01:08:53,403 Ryan: Yep, jeremiah 22 is where we have the 1513 01:08:53,463 --> 01:08:57,589 Ryan: message to Jeconiah, and what's interesting 1514 01:08:57,649 --> 01:09:00,937 Ryan: is you have that and then in chapter 23, 1515 01:09:00,957 --> 01:09:01,879 Ryan: you have the declaration of the righteous 1516 01:09:01,899 --> 01:09:02,039 Ryan: branch. 1517 01:09:02,059 --> 01:09:03,523 Ryan: That was the thing right after that. 1518 01:09:03,603 --> 01:09:06,177 Ryan: So God's cutting off something, but he's 1519 01:09:06,237 --> 01:09:08,905 Ryan: also saying there's a righteous branch that 1520 01:09:08,965 --> 01:09:11,759 Ryan: is going to come, and all of those things 1521 01:09:12,300 --> 01:09:13,724 Ryan: are things that you want to pay attention 1522 01:09:13,764 --> 01:09:15,477 Ryan: to when looking at this curse of Jeconiah. 1523 01:09:15,978 --> 01:09:16,179 Andy: Cool. 1524 01:09:17,041 --> 01:09:19,206 Andy: Well, I had more I thought would be fun to 1525 01:09:19,246 --> 01:09:21,902 Andy: talk about, but given time and kind of the 1526 01:09:21,942 --> 01:09:23,085 Andy: nature of some of what I was going to say, 1527 01:09:23,155 --> 01:09:24,699 Andy: I think we'll take that offline. 1528 01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:25,662 Andy: That's cool. 1529 01:09:25,962 --> 01:09:27,847 Andy: Yeah, so I appreciate it. 1530 01:09:27,855 --> 01:09:29,807 Andy: Thanks for coming back and giving me a 1531 01:09:29,867 --> 01:09:32,016 Andy: chance to kind of revive after three months 1532 01:09:32,116 --> 01:09:34,718 Andy: of not posting an episode 1533 01:09:35,039 --> 01:09:36,140 Ryan: All right, thanks, andy, enjoyed it 1534 01:09:36,160 --> 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01:10:02,558 --> 01:10:04,803 Speaker 3: support Echo Zoe Ministries, please visit 1548 01:10:04,803 --> 01:10:07,128 Speaker 3: echozoe dot com slash support. 1549 01:10:08,716 --> 01:10:10,700 Andy: That wraps up episode 192. 1550 01:10:11,021 --> 01:10:12,524 Andy: Thanks for listening to Echo Zoe Radio. 1551 01:10:12,965 --> 01:10:14,608 Andy: For show notes, visit echozoe dor com, 1552 01:10:14,955 --> 01:10:16,279 Andy: slash 192. 1553 01:10:17,582 --> 01:10:19,467 Andy: Please also check out the Christian Podcast 1554 01:10:19,487 --> 01:10:19,908 Andy: Community. 1555 01:10:20,376 --> 01:10:22,201 Andy: There's an ever-growing list of fantastic 1556 01:10:22,241 --> 01:10:24,595 Andy: shows focusing on all sorts of topics, and 1557 01:10:24,615 --> 01:10:25,317 Andy: you'll find them at 1558 01:10:25,317 --> 01:10:27,825 Andy: christianpodcastcommunity dot org. 1559 01:10:29,336 --> 01:10:31,001 Andy: Before I close, I want to talk a little bit 1560 01:10:31,041 --> 01:10:32,626 Andy: about the future of Echo Zoe Radio. 1561 01:10:33,577 --> 01:10:35,405 Andy: I've been doing the podcast since May of 1562 01:10:35,465 --> 01:10:39,339 Andy: 2008, over 16 years, and I've genuinely 1563 01:10:39,379 --> 01:10:40,943 Andy: enjoyed every episode. 1564 01:10:41,946 --> 01:10:44,279 Andy: That said, it's becoming increasingly 1565 01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:45,864 Andy: difficult to continue the show in its 1566 01:10:45,944 --> 01:10:46,747 Andy: current format. 1567 01:10:47,676 --> 01:10:49,581 Andy: New guests are much more difficult to get 1568 01:10:49,641 --> 01:10:51,846 Andy: than they were in the early days, and I'm 1569 01:10:51,887 --> 01:10:53,339 Andy: not sure I want to keep cycling through the 1570 01:10:53,379 --> 01:10:54,883 Andy: same list of guests that I've been doing 1571 01:10:54,923 --> 01:10:56,558 Andy: shows with for the last few years. 1572 01:10:57,721 --> 01:10:59,728 Andy: Podcasting is very different than it was in 1573 01:10:59,768 --> 01:11:01,975 Andy: 2008, 2009, 2010. 1574 01:11:02,817 --> 01:11:04,062 Andy: In many ways for the better. 1575 01:11:05,135 --> 01:11:07,242 Andy: It's easy to do and there are a lot of 1576 01:11:07,342 --> 01:11:08,425 Andy: great people doing it. 1577 01:11:09,758 --> 01:11:11,371 Andy: I set out to build a library of great 1578 01:11:11,391 --> 01:11:13,486 Andy: material addressing important issues that 1579 01:11:13,506 --> 01:11:15,498 Andy: my kids could someday reference to answer 1580 01:11:15,518 --> 01:11:16,141 Andy: their questions. 1581 01:11:17,197 --> 01:11:18,910 Andy: I've also sought to make the glory of God a 1582 01:11:18,991 --> 01:11:20,217 Andy: foundational motivator. 1583 01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:23,204 Andy: The library has become respectable over the 1584 01:11:23,244 --> 01:11:24,828 Andy: years, and all to God's glory. 1585 01:11:26,336 --> 01:11:28,341 Andy: This isn't to say that Echo Zoe Radio is 1586 01:11:28,401 --> 01:11:30,626 Andy: coming to an end, though it's not to say 1587 01:11:30,666 --> 01:11:31,516 Andy: that it isn't either. 1588 01:11:32,518 --> 01:11:34,123 Andy: I've reached an inflection point and 1589 01:11:34,223 --> 01:11:35,546 Andy: honestly, I don't know where to go from 1590 01:11:35,607 --> 01:11:35,747 Andy: here. 1591 01:11:36,656 --> 01:11:38,681 Andy: I do very much enjoy producing the show. 1592 01:11:39,564 --> 01:11:40,867 Andy: I just don't know where else to take it. 1593 01:11:41,835 --> 01:11:43,661 Andy: Seeking out a new guest and topic every 1594 01:11:43,721 --> 01:11:45,326 Andy: month takes more than I can give. 1595 01:11:46,115 --> 01:11:48,201 Andy: It seems that in order to continue, the 1596 01:11:48,301 --> 01:11:50,406 Andy: format will need to change, but I don't 1597 01:11:50,446 --> 01:11:53,558 Andy: know how there's much to say about 1598 01:11:53,598 --> 01:11:55,564 Andy: glorifying God in Echo Zoe Ministries and 1599 01:11:55,604 --> 01:11:56,507 Andy: in Echo Zoe Radio. 1600 01:11:57,636 --> 01:11:59,180 Andy: For one, while stats have always been 1601 01:11:59,341 --> 01:12:01,306 Andy: interesting, they've never been a driver. 1602 01:12:01,816 --> 01:12:03,411 Andy: I've never been preoccupied with unique 1603 01:12:03,431 --> 01:12:05,482 Andy: downloads or social media reposts. 1604 01:12:06,576 --> 01:12:08,255 Andy: I want God to be glorified, and 1605 01:12:08,296 --> 01:12:11,180 Andy: preoccupation with those things seems as 1606 01:12:11,220 --> 01:12:12,825 Andy: though it would be to seek a piece of that 1607 01:12:12,865 --> 01:12:14,840 Andy: glory, a piece that isn't mine. 1608 01:12:16,197 --> 01:12:18,089 Andy: For that matter, being the face or the 1609 01:12:18,149 --> 01:12:19,805 Andy: voice of a ministry, this ministry or any 1610 01:12:19,747 --> 01:12:22,560 Andy: ministry isn't important either. 1611 01:12:23,444 --> 01:12:25,091 Andy: There are so many other podcasters out 1612 01:12:25,111 --> 01:12:27,017 Andy: there doing a fantastic job in producing 1613 01:12:27,157 --> 01:12:28,901 Andy: wonderful God-glorifying shows. 1614 01:12:29,803 --> 01:12:32,448 Andy: While I love it too, I don't really need it. 1615 01:12:33,655 --> 01:12:35,057 Andy: I get enjoyment out of being a part of 1616 01:12:35,077 --> 01:12:37,199 Andy: serving God in some way, whether or not I'm 1617 01:12:37,219 --> 01:12:37,799 Andy: the face of it. 1618 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:40,762 Andy: For example, I spent 10 years recording and 1619 01:12:40,802 --> 01:12:42,945 Andy: producing video of the sermons at Gospel of 1620 01:12:42,965 --> 01:12:43,685 Andy: Grace Fellowship. 1621 01:12:44,586 --> 01:12:47,129 Andy: I was never asked to do it, I just took it 1622 01:12:47,229 --> 01:12:47,810 Andy: on and I did it. 1623 01:12:48,410 --> 01:12:49,651 Andy: I did it because it helped my church. 1624 01:12:54,095 --> 01:12:54,876 Andy: I did it because it helped God's church. 1625 01:12:54,896 --> 01:12:55,616 Andy: I did it because I enjoyed it. 1626 01:12:55,636 --> 01:12:57,677 Andy: Going forward, I'm going to continue to 1627 01:12:57,738 --> 01:12:59,279 Andy: pray about what to do with Echo Zoe 1628 01:12:59,319 --> 01:12:59,779 Andy: Ministries. 1629 01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:02,761 Andy: Perhaps the podcast will continue as it has, 1630 01:13:03,622 --> 01:13:05,663 Andy: perhaps it will change a little, or maybe 1631 01:13:05,703 --> 01:13:07,724 Andy: I'll pursue other means of serving Him to 1632 01:13:07,784 --> 01:13:08,325 Andy: His glory. 1633 01:13:09,586 --> 01:13:11,327 Andy: Until I get it figured out, though, I think 1634 01:13:11,367 --> 01:13:13,388 Andy: it only prudent to adjust the frequency of 1635 01:13:13,428 --> 01:13:13,749 Andy: the show. 1636 01:13:14,609 --> 01:13:16,631 Andy: Echo Zoe Radio will be periodical. 1637 01:13:17,571 --> 01:13:19,212 Andy: It won't necessarily be a monthly show 1638 01:13:19,232 --> 01:13:23,755 Andy: anymore, though it won't likely be more 1639 01:13:23,775 --> 01:13:24,475 Andy: frequent than monthly either. 1640 01:13:24,495 --> 01:13:27,816 Andy: This episode was recorded on July 28, 2024 1641 01:13:27,856 --> 01:13:28,956 Andy: as the August episode. 1642 01:13:29,836 --> 01:13:31,897 Andy: There may or may not be a September episode 1643 01:13:32,177 --> 01:13:34,518 Andy: or an October episode, but, Lord willing, 1644 01:13:34,958 --> 01:13:37,478 Andy: we'll be back soon with another episode of 1645 01:13:37,518 --> 01:13:37,978 Andy: Echo Zoe Radio.